Creature — Kavu
When this enters the battlefield, it deals 4 damage to target creature.
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Flametongue Kavu Discussion
1 week ago
Thank you so much for your interest in my deck and this thorough suggestion list and comment. So starting off with the draw you suggested, I kinda missed War Room , I am currently making up a list of things I want to change and I'm slightly changing up the pacing and direction and will be adding more draw. So War Room will definitely be one on the list. Tome of Legends is on my list already so thank you for confirmation on a good draw, especially with Norin popping in and out every turn. I don't know why but Endless Atlas doesn't feel too good to me, maybe if it were 1 mana I'd probably throw that in too but as is I'll pass. Humble Defector my current meta isn't super into playing nice politics so I haven't considered this, also the lack of abusable ETB makes me lean against it. I'll probably talk more on my meta at the end of the comment. As for Ignite the Future and Light Up the Stage they have been kinda on a watchlist, the list I'm working on is gonna look to make big plays with a handful of x cost spells so the flashback with Ignite the Future is less spicy in that sense but still a card I'm looking into playtesting a bit.
Moving on to the Ramp suggestions Curse of Opulence seems nice and I will definitely consider it as I change Norin up to keep it feeling a bit more fresh. Dockside Extortionist I haven't picked up yet because I support my LGS as much as possible and they ones I frequent the most haven't had any in stock when I've been there, and the one time they did - money was a factor. As for the crypt and the gauntlet, I have been playing magic for 20 some years now so many of the pricey cards weren't so pricey when I got them and also have had a healthy local trading market. Yes Myriad Landscape is too slow for my liking. You are correct in your assumption that I am not running Ruby Medallion because of the high amount of artifacts I'm running. It will likely be reconsidered. Sword of the Animist seems kinda good on paper, but my meta likes to do lots of spell casting on other peoples turns so I feel bad spending 2 to equip only to have someone cast a spell and make Norin go away. Oh, and as for Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun both are going in with my next big change so stay tuned lol.
Utility & Misc. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is good, I'll consider it but not sure where to fit it in, also she will never live to see her -7 in my meta. Dualcaster Mage wasn't considered because I'm only running 9 sorcery and 1 instant and most of them not super great to duplicate, my new list may change this so I may come back and reconsider. Sunbird's Invocation seems perfect for the new list I'm cooking up, thank you! I will definitely play test that. Blast Zone just seems meh, I don't like the XX cost, I haven't found too many enchantments I've wanted to remove and when I do I make them artifacts and destroy them or take them. Flametongue Kavu and Inferno Titan just seem too expensive for what they do, the Kavu being limited to creatures is a bummer imo. Terror of the Peaks should go on to replace Warstorm Surge I'll have to look into that. And lastly Zealous Conscripts used to be in the deck along with a Goblin Recruiter and Moggcatcher and every game was basically the same, tutor for kiki and either gamble or wheel into zealous it felt boring and I didn't enjoy playing it. Might make a return one day in the right meta.
As for your synergy suggestion, I would add it but my new list is actually going to omit Mind's Eye.
Now for my meta... well I currently find myself in limbo as just a few weeks ago my group had a bit of a falling out. Basically, one of my friends became the direct boss of others in the group and he had to let one of them go from the company during covid lockdowns and it just created a lot of bad blood. Drama aside, we had some people showing up with cEDH decks when others were playing intentionally suboptimal decks and only one other person would play nice politics with me so it was kind of difficult at times. Ridiculous amounts of removal, both targeted and mass, so I typically felt somewhat okay running a bit light on that. Also with reds artifact hate and the ability to turn things into artifacts I never really felt disadvantaged.
As I said a few times I am making some changes and I'll be adding things like Firecat Blitz and Tempt with Vengeance to dump a mass amount of creatures in at once for those warstorm/pandemonium effects. I am currently focusing primarily on a new Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck that you may enjoy, I hope to get it up and made public in the next two or three days. And if you enjoyed this Norin deck for it's low cmc curve you may enjoy the Alesha deck because it's even lower!
Thank you again for taking interest and thanks for the upvote. All of these suggestions are appreciated. :) I hope you have a great weekend.
2 weeks ago
I like your deck and it's avg cmc. How do you deal with the lack of card draw red has? I see you have some wheels, but without a reliable way to tutor for them or draw into them, wouldn't it be best to add more general card draw to help ensure you don't run out of gas. Have you considered the following....
Humble Defector - Draw + Politics. I use homeward path in my build for this slight synergy and politics with confusion in the ranks. Not needed but fun. Also noteworthy is homeward path's ability to mess with opposing GY shenanigans should they attempt to reanimate ours/other creatures
Curse of Opulence - T1 Norin, T2 Curse. T3 Profit + Politics
Dockside Extortionist - Speaking of treasure, is he not included due to price? I see you have gauntlet of might and mana crypt so I'm unsure if you have budget restrictions
Myriad Landscape - Or is it too slow?
Ruby Medallion - Are you not running this due to it's inability to ramp artifacts? I find it useful nevertheless, especially when trying to dump your hand, I think its potential use outweighs the lack of artifact ramp.
Sword of the Animist - T1 Norin, T2 Sword, T3 Norin grabs the sword, swings at the enemy, runs away back to safety while grabbing a land. I like land ramp due to it being less susceptible to removal and fueling valakut.
Dualcaster Mage - Value + combo with heat shimmer or twinflame should you wish to go that route. Each of those cards fuels ETB synergies as well.
Sunbird's Invocation - Expensive to cast but THE VALUE if it sticks. Hit or miss with many players, but has won me too many games to count. Perhaps my meta might be a bit more relaxed than yours though
Blast Zone - See no way for you to interact with enchantments. This might help should you wish. Nice with crucible
Flametongue Kavu - Removes most creatures, although it kills itself if its the only targettable creature on board
Inferno Titan - Burn, baby burn!
Terror of the Peaks - Burn baby burn part 2!
Zealous Conscripts - ETB value + Combo with Kiki-Jiki
A synergy to put in your description is Honor Shaku + Norin + Mind's eye = Draw during each opponent's draw step by tapping norin to fuel honor and honor to fuel mind's eye
Looking forward to your response to each suggestion. +1, nice deck. Would love to know more about your meta as well.
1 month ago
There are gonna be a lot of suggestions, feel free to choose what you think works best. First a question, what is the purpose of braid of fire, what are you spending the mana on during your upkeep? Be sure to let me know what you think of each suggestion, I am curious to hear your thoughts.
Outpost Siege - Draw, works nice with top so you can guarantee you can cast it
Ignite the Future / Light Up the Stage - Similar to the above, but more immediate. Flashback has won me 3 games in my meta, although my avg CMC is 3.58 so its a bit higher. Light up the stage might be a better fit due to cmc .
Wheel of Fortune - Draw + Nice card you tutored for, I hope you have recursion
Feldon of the Third Path - Useful in an ETB build
Etali, Primal Storm - Not a synergistic suggestion, but a fun, somewhat chaos based one. It's nice to cast a rishkar's expertise for 6 and then drop a memory jar after topdecking Etali and giving it haste with hanweir battlements
Flametongue Kavu - Removal, do note if there are no other creatures it kills itself. Nice with ETB doublers
Imperial Recruiter - Tutor in red? Sign me up! Nice to search for kiki-jiki
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Zealous Conscripts = Both good on their own, infinite together. I know the CMC is a bit high, but I think it's worth it. After all, what's the point of all that ramp if you don't have much to ramp into IMO
Inventors' Fair - Tutor 1/4th your deck, lifegain has helped me a few times.
Nevinyrral's Disk - Enchantment removal/wipe
Skullclamp - Genesis chamber tokens, hell, I've clamped norin sometimes making him cost 7.
Mind's Eye / Memory Jar - I run both, but you might prefer memory jar. I like mind's eye personally because with Honor worn shaku + norin, you can tap norin during each opponent's draw step to draw a card.
Sword of the Animist - Quick Norin, the enemies are coming, grab a sword, now swing.... Norin....where did you go and why is there a land? It's cool when norin swings with the sword and ramps you. Very stable ramp, although the 2 equip cost is a slight pain, the ramp eventually more than makes up for it. I understand looking at your list you prefer artifact ramp, but I think ramping lands is quite helpful given all of the artifact destruction in EDH. Moreover, it's nice with valakut. I've burned people to deal with valakut + sword. Also, Feldon + Burnished heart was a fun little trick, albeit expensive mana wise. Anywise, I digress...
Wayfarer's Bauble - Similar to the above, kind of. Not needed, I like it. Thought it was worth mentioning.
Endless Atlas - Continuous draw is nice to have
Lastly.....not an entirely serious suggestion but Ugin, the Ineffable + Top + Experimental Frenzy / Mystic Forge = Draw your entire deck. With all 3 on field, tap top to draw, then place top on the deck. Mystic forge allows you to cast it and ugin makes the cast free. Rinse and repeat. Forge is obviously a better fit in the deck, Ugin ineffable provides enchantment removal and card draw, both needed. Thought it was cute when I discovered it, thought it was worth mentioning.
I'm looking forward to your detailed response :)
7 months ago
We've got some cool new cards here. I just have a few comments.
I'm not sure about the real rulings, but I think Eclectic Engine has a potential problem. When the ability resolves, you resolve one of the chosen ones at random. The only problem here is the "deal 3 damage to any target." When the ability triggers, nobody knows what it will do. By the time it resolves, it already does 3 damage to something that nobody can respond to. I don't know about how timing works with these kinds of triggers, but this just seemed like a red flag to me. That's assuming you care about having cards as realistic as possible, though.
I love the convoke you've got on. Broodmother Wurm reminds me of Dragon Broodmother. And that ramping convoke common seems really cool.
Firebolt Mage is incredibly powerful. Having a Exquisite Firecraft on a creature can't be overlooked. I heard once that Flametongue Kavu was a dominating card when it was in standard. Firebolt Mage would be even worse. It can kill most creatures, most planeswalkers, and do a significant amount of direct damage to a player. It's abusable with flicker and reanimation strategies. I think 3 mana for 4 damage and a 2/2 body is really pushing it. I'm not even talking about the kicker ability yet. That's actually fine. It reminds me of Urza's Rage a little bit. I second the idea of moving it to 3 and 6 mana if you want to keep the mana costs the same. You could throw in the damage can't be prevented if this is kicked clause, too.
10 months ago
I'll try to keep my suggestions budget
Chaos Warp - Permanent removal
Dualcaster Mage - Value
Etali, Primal Storm - Powerhouse that works with the chaos theme
Flametongue Kavu - Removal the creature
Genesis Chamber - Army of Myrder
Hedron Archive > Sissay's Ring
Ignite the Future - Card Advantage
Inferno Titan - Burn them all
Light Up the Stage - Card Advantage
Outpost Siege - Card advantage when you need it, removal when you dont
Solemn Simulacrum - Ramp and card advantage
Tome of Legends - BEST CARD IN THE DECK. IF YOU ADD ANYTHING, ADD THIS!!!
Volcanic Offering - Removal and politics at instant speed, very useful
Nevinyrral's Disk - Wipe that deals with enchantments
Sunbird's Invocation - Card advantage. This sticking around means you usually win in a few turns with all of the value if you build your deck correctly
1 year ago
Thanks for all the awesome suggestions, you got me back into hardcore brewing mode! I have been workshopping this deck for a long time and am excited about the direction it has taken. Although the deck could be slightly more consistent without it, I am proud of how well the decks sub theme of playing other peoples cards is integrated.
First off, I dove head long into solving the card draw problem. I added your suggestions: Hedron Archive, Outpost Siege, Arch of Orazca, and Humble Defector. I also took on the card draw challenge by changing the deck up a little bit and going big mana/artifact. I added cards like Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive, Curse of Opulence, and Ugin, the Ineffable. (Ugin can be a powerhouse in this deck with almost half the spells being colorless.) With having more mana I added spells like The Immortal Sun and Tower of Fortunes which can now be played and/or activated far earlier than their respective curve.
Personally I am not a fan of Plainswalkers as a whole in the game of MtG. I don't like the way they slow down the game. I added Ugin mainly for his passive ability, with the bonus of his card draw, but otherwise have shied away from plainswalkers in most of my decks. Thus, Chandra, Torch of Defiance isn't really my cup of tea. I even opted for The Immortal Sun instead of Staff of Nin in order to shut down others plainswalkers.
I added Buried Ruin, it was a great reccomendation.
I have opted away from Goblin Matron since I have very few Goblins and it feels more situational in that case.
I have been debating Flametongue Kavu since the beginning but just couldn't figure out what I wanted to get rid of to add it. But with all of the positive feedback I have seen on that card I am finally hopping on the bandwagon!
I am still debating Volcanic Offering. I think it will depend on my playgroup more than anything. Kind of a side board card for me.
Your Norin deck is fantastic as well, I enjoyed looking it over. I will right a few suggestions I have in the comments soon!
1 year ago
Cleaned up decks and removed Daretti, Ingenious Iconoclast, Entreat the Angels, Flametongue Kavu, Glorybringer, Jaya's Immolating Inferno, Kaya, Ghost Assassin, Lingering Souls, Path of Mettle Flip, Sword of Feast and Famine, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts
1 year ago
Hey so I know you mentioned you didnt want the power level to be crazy. Keeping that in mind, I took a look at your deck and heres what I see. First 37 creatures is very high for a Boros deck generally, but I havent tested Winota at all myself yet, so her ability may incentive things outside of the norm. That being the case, Id still like to bring the creature count down slightly to make room for other stuff. Second, you have 13 5 drops which is very bloated, this will likely cause mana and clunkiness issues, so I am going to look to cut a few cards from here. Victories Envoy and Anya are going to be the weak links right here so cut those. Next Angel of Finality is a cool card but typically under performs, I would add a somethign like tormods crypt or soul guided lantern in its place for the mana efficiency. Frontier Warmonger I would switch to Iroas, God of Victory because Iroas is incredible. Next you gotta pick one one to cut, either another 5 drop, or a 7 drop (probably the marauders). This will be a tough decision, buts its for the greater good. Ive cut 4 cards, and replacing those will be Dowsing Dagger Flip, Oketra's Monument Tormod's Crypt or Soul-Guide Lantern and Skullclamp. Your deck has a fairly large curve, it looks pretty similar to my angel deck so you just need a ton of mana production. Dowsing is fantastic as a source of multi colored ramp, and skullclamp is insane card draw even if its just on the hands of opponents board wipes, and Oketras cost reduction and free tokens really do nice work. Try the deck is this configuration and see how things go.
Here are a couple other things that I would like to see but you'll have to make some really difficult cuts for. You need another protection spell or 2, Legion's Initiative Selfless Spirit and Eerie Interlude are all great, they all have pros and cons, pick the one you like best. Next your removal count is also pretty low, so it can be a problem if someone gets ahead of you. There are many options here and it just depends on what you need to get done Path to Exile Volcanic Offering Winds of Abandon all do some really nice things. Another thing to consider is creature based removal Intrepid Hero Angel of Serenity are some nice things that are on theme Inferno Titan and Flametongue Kavu for off theme, as well as most dragons ever printed. Again if you find the need to increase your removal and protection count you'll likely need to cut from your creatures.
Here are somethings to consider if you want to really up the power deck later on. Again havent tested it, but I assume the most powerful build is going to be some version of humans that produce lots of non human tokens, and lots of extra combat spells. The extra combats should make it very strong. Im a big fan of Waves of Aggression and Aggravated Assault. Another thing to think about it is interacting with your opponents to slow them down Chancellor of the Annex and Angelic Arbiter do so much work in my Angels deck, and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is the single strongest white creature next to Sun Titan who's also missing. On the lower side of the curve you have many hate bears to choose from which create head aches for unfair decks. Finally, you'll want to lower the creature count in favor of more protection, and more removal, and you'll want to drop the mana curve a bit too. Hope all this helps. Cant wait to try out Winota myself.