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Dark Betrayal Discussion
2 months ago
I enjoy playing competitive EDH and one of the recently spoiled Strixhaven cards I already know is going to shake-up my meta and make things difficult for me. Namely Witherbloom Apprentice is the card I'm dreading as it can close out a game if it's controller casts Chain of Smog as it can be copied infinitely if the controller always targets themself with it. It's very likely every BGx deck in my play group is going to run this combo given how easy it is to setup and when you pair the possibility of closing out the game on turn two through Dark Ritual or Sol Ring into a mana rock, it becomes a lethal threat I can't ignore when making deck building decisions. As such, I feel I need to add another one mana creature removal spell in my deck, but I'm stumped over which spell I should include not just to address this potential combo but also have the most practical use outside of it as well.
My current list of removal spells are: Path to Exile , Swords to Plowshares , Sinister Concoction , Dismember , Lightning Axe , Molten Vortex , Red Elemental Blast , Pyroblast and Terminate (I enjoy playing more reactively than proactively.)
The removal spells I'm considering are: Dark Betrayal , Fatal Push , Human Frailty , Lightning Bolt , Magma Spray , Weight of Spires and Seal of Fire . (The last one I'm considering for its use around counterspells by casting it early.)
Notable exclusions are: Deadly Rollick , Defile , Dispatch , Force of Despair , Galvanic Blast , Murderous Cut , Mutual Destruction , Necrotic Wound , Pyrokinesis , Reckless Rage , Skred and Tragic Slip as I feel I don't have the means to meet these card restrictions consistent enough to be useful in my deck, especially in the early game. I'm also not considering two mana removal spells like Go for the Throat because I feel at this point cost effectiveness matters more than removal range.
Of course the best removal spell is going to depend heavily on the meta, but I'm generally trying to figure out which of the spells I'm considering is the best in a competitive environment in general. I'm looking for feedback and second opinions on whether you think any of the spells shines well above the rest through your own play experiences. I appreciate any insight I can get, thanks.
9 months ago
Thanks again Profet93 for the comments, you make some good points, and even if I don't use every suggested card, it's really good to see what other people are having success with, and shine a light on some unusual cards that might fit this unusual commander!
My budget is usually around $2 a card, unless its a card I can swap between decks. Urborg and Torment of Hailfire came from my past decks, or are on loan.
Slaughter Pact is an interesting one. There is juuuuuust enough good nonblack targets in my meta that having 1 card with that clause isn't too bad, but often I use it on a subpar target, just to get a big Toshiro flashback chain started for 0 mana.
Withering Boon is another interesting option. Personally, i'm not a huge fan of the art (which is often a stupid deal breaker for me), although in this case, it's not the reason I don't run it. In my meta, I'd much rather have a 2cmc removal spell. There aren't too many ETB creatures I need to worry about, and having a card that's a dead draw against an already developed board is a dealbreaker. Along with the fact that it's prettyyyy hard to use effectively with Tooshiro flashing it back. I'd have to; have an instant-speed way to kill a creature, have a target to kill, have a good target to counter, and have the mana to do it all at once... and i'd lose 3 life. I'd rather have a removal spell I can easily flash back in response to deaths in combat, or a Sorcery-speed removal spell. If I was up against some good ETD effects, or creature combos, i'd definitely consider adding it. I do love color-pie breaking cards. I'd run Mana Tithe in any white deck just for the giggles.
Using Dark Betrayal looks very very good!... probably too good for me to get away with without it being obvious i'm targeting my meta specifically...
Sudden Spoiling looks like another great one. I might give it a go one day, but there isn't a whole lot of big combat in my meta that this would interact with well. I might keep it in my "back of my mind while playing" list for a while to see how it might play out if I had it in my hand.
I have gotten hold of a Blast Zone, but haven't drawn it in a game yet. It'll be interesting to see how it goes.
I'm seeing a few interesting cards in the Zendikar Rising spoilers that may fit into the deck, namely Feed the Swarm (targeted Creature/Enchantment removal), Soul Shatter (powerful Edict effect) and Malakir Rebirth (creature protection stapled to a land). I'm also looking at making a new EDH deck (Feldon), which might mean i'd be able to make some more expensive upgrades, using cards that fit well into both decks. I might end up swapping Whispersilk Cloak for Lightning Greaves and maybe adding in a Worn Powerstone to help me ramp into my expensive creatures!
9 months ago
Given you don't want opposing GY's filled, why not then add Extinction Event, is it because you don't want to lose your creatures in the process or is the CMC too limiting for you?
I saw you have urborg so I wasn't entirely sure what your budget per card is. That being said, nev disk is about $2 according to tappedout, not too bad.
Perhaps not syphon mind, maybe not even mind twist then since you primary opponents are black. But again, why add slaughter pact if that is the case?
You also mention they have artifact/enchantment removal, very fair point. However, they would need to have it then and there, but I get your point. It would be especially bad with an ETB general and you would probably want an instant anyways, just thought it was worth mentioning since it is new black tech.
I also want to hear your opinions on Withering Boon, are you preferring to actually kill their creature rather than counter it? I find it useful against ETB creatures (my meta filled with them).
Lastly to bring another suggestion, given your meta Dark Betrayal might be worth considering. Sudden Spoiling can also be a neat trick, especially during combat and the fact that it has split second so only morph can interact with it.
10 months ago
So i run something very similar in standard. Leyline of the Void is good sideboard against any graveyard based decks, plus its a free 2 devotion if its in your hand.
You may also want to run one copy of Nyx Lotus
1 year ago
Nice deck! I would recommend the following changes;
Cut 3 lands for 3x Snapcaster Mage.
Change some of the basics and maybe even the Fetid Pools and Canyon Sloughs for lands the Alpha Duals in your colours (Badlands, Underground Sea and Volcanic Island), or, for a more budget friendly option, the Shock Lands from Ravnica in your colours (Blood Crypt, Steam Vents and Watery Grave).
1 year ago
Sideboard could contain some of these (keeping it budget):
2 years ago
mmcgeach sorry to bother you again, but you said that in your playgroup there is a Gitrog player and, because of its size, I'd assume that it would be hard to deal with it without comboing off.
I'd also like to hear your thoughts on Smelt .
Thank you in advance!
2 years ago
I’d rather play more versatile removal such as Go for the Throat instead of Dark Betrayal . You should definitely play Leyline of the Void as it doesn’t affect your yard and cancels draw triggers for gitrog. You could also play Spirit of the Labyrinth to slow gitrog down but note that they can win through this effect if they haven’t drawn a card for the turn they intend to go off on. The problem with hate creatures that affect gitrog is that they typically have 1 toughness which if they run Darkblast can be pretty lights out.
xaarvaxus: while cursed totem doesn’t touch any of gitrogs inherent abilities it does shut off Putrid Imp , Oblivion Crown , and all of its discard outlets besides Chains of Mephistopheles and the handsize outlet