Creature — Demon
Carnifex Demon enters the battlefield with two -1/-1 counters on it.
, Remove a -1/-1 counter from Carnifex Demon: Put a -1/-1 counter on each other creature.
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|Scars of Mirrodin (SOM)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Carnifex Demon occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%
Carnifex Demon Discussion
5 days ago
moldycrow83: I prefer Soul Snuffers to Harbinger because it's both more immediate and more controllable. I used to run Harbinger, but there were far too many times where it actually harmed me more than it helped me. In a slower meta, I think Carnifex Demon actually fulfills that role best, as you said (I've considered putting him back in, actually).
If you're concerned about losing all of your creatures to a Carnifex activation, the best solution (apart from Ivy Lane, who's awesome) might be effects like Gaea's Anthem that give you a static toughness boost -- these also combo nicely with Yawgmoth, making them good additions to the deck in multiple ways. I'm currently running two of these (Spidersilk Armor and Eldrazi Monument), and Leyline of Vitality would be my go-to for a third.
(Note that even if you have Ivy Lane Denizen, any creature with 1 toughness will die before you can put +1 counters on it to save it.)
Hope this helps! Glad you appreciate my deck :D
5 days ago
Hey! Awesome deck and primer. This has helped me a lot with creating my own; power curve is a tad lower, but it's still fairly strong (no Cradle, Earthcraft, moxs).
First question: Why use Soul Snuffers over Harbinger of Night? I assume Harbinger is too slow and going to hurt our own boardstate? I figured with Ivy Lane Denizen out it would be worth it. Would you recommend the swap in a slower/lower powered meta?
Second question: I currently run Carnifex Demon, but have a similar issue as I described above. It does tend to work well, but if I don't have Ivy I can kiss my dorks and Hapatra good-bye. Would you recommend keeping Carnifex and are there any cards you'd recommend I pair with him to help keep my creatures around?
3 months ago
Based on your post I see that you have reached the dreaded "I need to cut the last few cards" part of deck building.
One thing I always do at this point is to create custom categories for the various aspects of my deck. For example, you could make "add -1/-1 counter", "profit from -1/-1 counter", "ramp", "card draw", etc, categories. This always help me organize the focus of the deck, locate cards that are off theme or oddly specific, as well as find areas where I am imbalanced (i.e. too much removal and not enough ramp).
A couple examples: Veil of Summer is a really good card, but it is pretty niche. If your meta isn't heavy blue-black or it isn't very competitive, then Veil may not be needed.
Another example is Ivy Lane Denizen . It may seem like making your 1/1 snakes into 2/2's is great, but is it really needed? Your snakes already have deathtouch so they automatically trade with anything in combat. The added 1 power on each snake is fine, but not game ending. Triumph of the Hordes , Craterhoof Behemoth , Finale of Devastation , and Beastmaster Ascension are all much better finishers and make Ivy Lane Denizen unnecessary in my eyes. If you are set on a running Ivy Lane Denizen then I would suggest trying out Path of Discovery instead. It still can put a +1/+1 counter on your snakes, but it also provides card advantage.
So in my opinion, I would consider cutting any of: Ivy Lane Denizen , Veil of Summer (depending on your meta), Eldrazi Monument , Ammit Eternal , and Bane of Progress (this is a very good card, but your deck relies too much on it's enchantments and artifacts). I would also consider cutting Blightsteel Colossus , but that is more of a personal opinion for me.
If you do find yourself wanting to consider other cards any of the following are pretty strong in Hapatra decks: Contagion Engine , Contagion Clasp , Blowfly Infestation , Carnifex Demon , Skinrender , and Crumbling Ashes .
I hope this helps and happy deck building!
Skyler1776 on Nope
5 months ago
Ammit Eternal , Canker Abomination , Carnifex Demon , Cartouche of Ambition , Channeler Initiate , Decimator Beetle , Defiant Greatmaw , Devoted Druid , Exemplar of Strength , Karn's Bastion , Evolution Sage , Festering Mummy
6 months ago
uh maybe not, Altered Ego , Carnifex Demon , Fathom Mage , Herald of Secret Streams , Pollenbright Druid , Spinebiter , Thornling , Jiang Yanggu, Wildcrafter , Contagion Clasp , Helm of the Host , Carnifex Demon , Merfolk Skydiver , Aqueous Form , Path of Discovery , Champion of Lambholt , Hand of the Praetors , Bow of Nylea , Path of Discovery ,
7 months ago
Hello! So a lot of my suggestions will depend on budget/card access; since I don't know what yours is, I'll just leave all of the suggestions I think of. Feel free to ignore me.
The first thing I think of when I think of a 'demon' deck is Shadowborn Apostle . With a critical mass of these lil' buggers, you can just tutor out whichever demon is good for any given situation. Pair them with Thrumming Stone for instant fun. To take that strategy a little farther, you might consider running Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker as your general. I know he's not a demon, but his synergy with the Shadowborn Apostle s makes him an honorary demon, as far as I am concerned.
Ramp is a premium in EDH. I notice you have a few rocks already in your deck; however, I think there're better ones you can run. In general, two-mana mana-rocks are going to be a lot better than three-mana mana-rocks, if only because once you're at three mana you typically want to be doing more than just ramping. I like your Jet Medallion ; consider Thought Vessel , Mind Stone , Charcoal Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Prismatic Lens , Mana Vault , Mox Diamond and Mana Crypt . With as many artifacts as you have, Mox Opal is usually going to be online, too.
Land-wise, I must confess confusion as to why you're running Command Tower . If I am not missing something, it's a Swamp that dies to Wasteland , Back to Basics , Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon , Ruination , Dust Bowl and friends. I think you should replace it with a basic Swamp . Temple of the False God is a land I have mixed feelings about, as it isn't exactly the sort of land you want to see in your opening seven; that being said, it can be powerful late-game. Consider Ancient Tomb , as (since it was reprinted recently) it is at a relatively low price, and it can cast two-mana mana-rocks on turn one. Additionally, in mono-black, Cabal Coffers and Cabal Stronghold are very powerful mana sources. Pairing them with Deserted Temple works pretty well, too. Consider Lake of the Dead , Shizo, Death's Storehouse and Phyrexian Tower as good utility-lands. Also, you could probably use two to four more lands in your list. Twenty-eight is pretty much were I tend to bottom out on land-count, at that's when I'm running all the zero-mana mana-rocks.
Card-draw, card-selection and tutoring are all also very important in EDH. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold-standard for tutors, though their prices tend to make them rather inaccessible. Scheming Symmetry is a good tutor if your general is out; similarly, Maralen of the Mornsong seems... worth trying. Presumably, someone is going to take thirteen and kill her, but she's probably pretty good anyway. Diabolic Tutor , which I see you run, is a good option; Dark Petition , Mastermind's Acquisition and Beseech the Queen also come to mind. In the vein of card-draw, consider Night's Whisper , Ambition's Cost , Read the Bones , Phyrexian Arena , Twilight Prophet , Staff of Nin , Ancient Craving , Sign in Blood , Necropotence , Harvester of Souls , Null Profusion , Succumb to Temptation and friends. Graveborn Muse is good even as just a second Phyrexian Arena if you only have one zombie out. If you pair Waste Not with Words of Waste , you can also generate card-advantage. Almost as good as card-draw is preventing your opponents from drawing cards -- unfortunately, in mono-black this is pretty much just Chains of Mephistopheles , which costs about as much as a used kidney these days. Usually I'd suggest Narset, Parter of Veils or Spirit of the Labyrinth .
In terms of removal, you typically don't want to settle for one-for-ones. In EDH, you're generally facing three opponents, which means you're facing three times the number of creatures/threats that you would be facing in a one-v-one. So trading a card for just one creature is often times just not enough. I don't think Ob Nixilis's Cruelty or Unholy Hunger are very good, for that reason. You may have more luck with Ashes to Ashes , Toxic Deluge , Damnation and the like... perhaps even Hex , though keep in mind you'd need six targets on the field to even cast it. Decree of Pain , Overwhelming Forces , Mutilate and Rain of Daggers are also worth considering. Black also has access to some fun pox-style cards. Innocent Blood , Barter in Blood , Liliana's Triumph or Smallpox can all be powerful in the early-game, if you're ramping with artifacts and don't have any important creatures out yet. Similarly, I should mention Pox itself -- this is easily one of the most brutal cards to resolve in EDH, right behind Ravages of War , Armageddon and Cataclysm . I haven't had much luck with it, but depending on your meta Pox may be a powerhouse.
In the Stax/Pox vein, you might consider Night of Souls' Betrayal . Doing away with some of your X/1s would make this a powerhouse, and it is an insta-kill against elf- or goblin-decks. In the right meta, Yixlid Jailer is good; though bear in mind it's a straight nonbo with Night of Souls' Betrayal .
I see you're running Leyline of the Void . Consider pairing it with Helm of Obedience . If you activate Helm of Obedience targeting an opponent while Leyline of the Void is out, the mill from the helm will be replaced with exiling the card. Thus, Helm of Obedience just makes the opponent keep trying to put the top card of their deck into their graveyard and keep exiling it instead. This results in exiling your opponent's library, and leaving Helm of Obedience tapped on the field. This combo only takes out one opponent at a time, is sure to draw a lot of hate, and requires several tutors to make it consistent, but I figured you might be interested in it. If you're good at politics (I'm not), it can be a pretty powerful A-Bomb.
In mono-black, you should consider a reanimator package. Buried Alive or Entomb combined with Animate Dead , Reanimate , Necromancy , Victimize , Dance of the Dead or even Exhume can get a fatty on the table real fast. Entomb -ing Lord of the Void turn one and Reanimate -ing him turn two (or even turn one, if you run Dark Ritual or Lotus Petal ) seems pretty good to me. Whip of Erebos is also a form of permanent-based reanimation, which has the added bonus of gaining you life.
If you're having trouble killing opponents, consider Helm of the Host . This'll add a new threat to the board every turn, provided you can keep one on the table. Bloodchief Ascension also puts down one hell of a clock. Doom Whisperer , Herald of Anguish , Carnifex Demon and Desecration Demon are all additional demons to consider.
Finally, in terms of what to cut: Start by looking for inefficient cards or over-redundant/unnecessary/underwhelming effects. Keep an eye on those cards when you play, and if you're often seeing them, wishing you could just discard them and draw another card, that's a card you should cut. It might be a baller effect, but if the cost is too high or the effect to narrow, it isn't worth running.
Good luck, man!
7 months ago
hmm i do enjoy Vilis, Broker of Blood for the draw, but most times im hoping to draw something that gives counters, you might be onto somthing. Im going to swap them for some play testing and see what happens.
As for Soul Snuffers I do have Phyrexian Reclamation Reanimate and Meren of Clan Nel Toth to get more then the one use. I do love it and Carnifex Demon due to my table always using some form of tokens, most notably Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer and The Locust God
7 months ago
While the mana cost is a little high what do you think about adding in Carnifex Demon as this will just let you copy any creature on the board but that's the only real suggestion I have. This is a really solid deck for sure