Creature — Spirit Cleric
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Bygone Bishop occurrence in decks from the last year
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Bygone Bishop Discussion
1 month ago
What's white known for?
Lifegain? Green and black are as able as white at gaining life, while also progressing the game/board while doing so.
Removal? Black deals with specifically single target creature better than white can. Enchantments and artifacts are removed as easily, if not more so, by green. Oblivion Ring effects? Not a permanent solution, often suboptimal. Boardwipes? Damnation, Toxic Deluge, Blasphemous Act and Cyclonic Rift are more popular than Wrath of God. But Planar Cleansing is a purely white effect right...? Hello Boompile, Oblivion Stone and Nevinyrral's Disk, which are playable in every deck.
Tokens then? But Doubling Season and Parallel Lives are green cards. White has the best non-tribal anthems, like Glorious Anthem, but most commander decks that actually win by those effects, usually are tribal, and have plenty of lords that synergize better with the deck.
So what does a deck need to actually be functional? Most will say you'll need a decent amount of carddraw and ramp. White ramp is actually catching up lately, but almost all white ramp is dependent on artifacts or your opponents (Knight of the Reliquary effects). Smothering Tithe helps though. White carddraw is either the Monarch, which every other color has cards for, or it's Mentor of the Meek and Bygone Bishop, which impose fairly heavy restrictions on your deck, to play low-impact creature cards in your 99. There is no white Rhystic Study, Outpost Siege, Guardian Project or Phyrexian Arena.
And finally, what else is white lacking? A (big mana) spell that can win the game on the spot. Like Torment of Hailfire, Craterhoof Behemoth, Insurrection or Thassa's Oracle. White splashy spells will create an imposing boardstate, but you'll need to actually untap to attack and win the game, giving your opponents a full turn to respond. The closest white has is Approach of the Second Sun which you can see coming 7 cards in advance.
So there's no real unique reason to play White in your deck. White only shines in being annoying, with Rule of Law, Drannith Magistrate, Ghostly Prison, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Blind Obedience and Armageddon, which not everyone (understatement) likes playing against. So if you'd ask me, the lack of carddraw, unique strategies & finishers, and the play-stax-or-lose image, are the main problems white is dealing with right now.
1 month ago
Before worrying about sideboarding, I'd focus on getting the main down to 60 cards. The closer you are to the minimum deck size, the more likely it is you'll draw the best cards in your deck. In this case, it looks like you want to build a party deck with Haktos the Unscarred as one of the bombs. The first thing I'd do is identify which cards are actively working towards that end or are particularly efficient. If something doesn't fit those descriptions, cut it. If it does, try to acquire multiple copies of it. For example, Gore Swine isn't doing anything here that a party member couldn't do better, so I'd remove it. Compare that to Expedition Champion who has more stats for the same cost and actively synergizes with the warrior theme, so having 4 of him wouldn't be bad. You can apply that logic to the entire deck. Practiced Tacticsis better than Sandblast. Suspension Field is more cost effective than Skybind. And so on.
After thinning the deck to its strongest options, then I'd focus on upgrades. Seek out other decks with similar goals and see what they're running. You can then endeavor to purchase the best cards you see in such examples, budget permitting. I don't know much about Boros party, but a quick search revealed Archpriest of Iona, Grotag Bug-Catcher, Stonework Packbeast, Squad Commander, Journey to Oblivion, Kargan Intimidator, Luminarch Aspirant, Relic Axe, Goma Fada Vanguard, Robber of the Rich, Tazri, Beacon of Unity, Fissure Wizard, and Seasoned Hallowblade, and that's only looking at standard. Modern brings even more options, particularly for Boros warriors. Arashin Foremost, Boros Reckoner, Mardu Woe-Reaper, Alesha, Who Smiles at Death, Obsidian Battle-Axe, Grim Lavamancer, Jeering Instigator, Fire-Belly Changeling, Grand Abolisher, Mirror Entity, Bygone Bishop, and Selfless Spirit all come to mind.
2 months ago
I believe that Mono-White specifically is not as lacking in card draw as many people believe. It may be true that the card draw is not as of high of quality, but it definitely exists. I'm going to make a small list of cards/combos in Mono-White that draw more cards than you paid to play it (i.e., I cast two cards and discard a card to make the combo, but I draw 4 out of it) that I think are better than Court of Grace (all of these have already existed). (Also, of course, artifacts are fair game. Artifacts do indeed get used in Mono-White, and should be treated as such.)
My personal favorite:
One card combo (my second favorite):
Ones that give only lands:
Ones that are wheel based:
(Unfortunately draws opponents cards too, but you will be drawing more)
Ones that are weenie based:
Also, I don't think that Phyrexian Arena is very good. Your point that it was used in a "fast" format (standard) is invalid because games of cEDH are faster than standard, not the other way around, with games ending possibly by turn 3.
3 months ago
Added ramp spell Talisman of Hierarchy.
I'll see what of the other suggested cards I can scrounge up (a lot of them are pretty pricey).
Willing to take any further suggestions!
4 months ago
I am glad to be seeing more cleric tribal decks starting to show up, it seems the solid increase in cleric legendary prints has really helped. In my own experiments with tribal clerics, Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim being my original cleric commander, have found that clerics excel in defense, resurrection and life gain but not offense compared to tribes like soldier and goblin tribal. That in mind I do have some recommendations to help maximize their potential.
Beat Sticks and offense: You have Doubtless One and Vile Deacon but don't forget to add Custodi Soulbinders and Mikaeus, the Lunarch to round out the heavy hitters. But there is more to offensive then just beat sticks, so I would consider Frontline Medic for no fear attacks and non cleric offensive aids like Reconnaissance, Dolmen Gate and Cover of Darkness to keep the clergy moving and Tymna earning her keep. From my experience in using Tymna you need evasion to keep drawing cards as trample is scarce in tribe. If you are feeling savage you can try Archangel of Thune and with the life gain available to the tribe it can get hilarious fast.
Card Draw: Most tribal decks I see have the same weakness and its card draw, even with Tymna the Weaver you can still get ground down to a halt, avoid that with some in tribe options to fuel the attack like Bygone Bishop, Custodi Lich, Twilight Prophet, Mangara, the Diplomat, Alms Collector, Yawgmoth, Thran Physician. Yawgmoth is a must have in my opinion as he removes the sting out of board wipes and allows removal if you really need it and can even discard one of your cards for reanimation abuse as well.
Defensive Options: Clerics probably have the best defenses out of all the tribes and at very low costs, some options I you should consider are Devoted Caretaker, Giver of Runes, Selfless Spirit and Songstitcher if fliers are a problem for you.
Tricks and Value Combos: An amusing combo I have played with before and found pretty funny was Hedron-Field Purists or Daunting Defender along with Pestilence. It can take a bit to assemble but is pretty funny when you do. Another value combo is Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose and Ancestor's Prophet.
Resurrection: To many options to list but I would recommend looking through the large amounts available and pack as many as you can in to increase endurance and grind opponents down. I can say from experience this can really clinch a victory.
5 months ago
Whew lots of thoughts in this thread.
First: Card advantage has been identified time and time again as extremely important to winning. Number of cards drawn by a player is the single best indicator of who will win in a 1v1 game of Magic. This is why Ancestral Recall is a $3000 card, even though it does the same thing as Concentrate just at a cheaper mana cost. I think that the color pie has been used for a long time by a designer I don't care for (cough Mark Rosewater cough) to justify lazy design because he doesn't like to imagine settings further away than Limited. Card advantage isn't just important, it is practically the cornerstone of competitive play. The EDH card pool is most similar to Vintage of all the other formats, due to the ban list and the cards available, no matter how much people wish to gripe about "muh competitive EDH". When you look at Vintage decks, the vast majority of them include blue, and rarely white (the most white deck being Thought Knot Seer stax, relying on eldrazi mana base and splashing white for pretty much just Thalia).
Second: White does have card advantage, but most of it is addition by subtraction. If you spend 1 card and remove 2 cards on the board, you have just gained +1 card advantage. This is seen in White with the massive amount of board wipes, from Wrath of God forwards. White has board wipes for creatures, artifacts, enchantments, and even a couple that impact cards in hand. As previously said in this thread, these cards require careful timing and strategy in order to get advantage from these cards. Compare to a card like Brainstorm, which always functions regardless of board state. While there are great times to Brainstorm (before a shuffle for example), there is rarely a bad time to Brainstorm. The same cannot be said for Wrath of God or other wipes, which perform better when you are behind and significantly worse when you are ahead.
Third: The raw card draw that White has is limited in scope or costly in mana. You can't just pay to draw a card, like you can any number of ways with . Most of the card draw requires deck build arounds, conditions on the board, or are just flat out heinously expensive to draw cards (such as Bygone Bishop, 5 mana before you even get the first card). The amount of white card advantage cards that are 1 or 2 mana cost are extremely small, being limited to a couple tutors and some conditional land advantage, not even land ramp. This is really what people mean when they say "White doesn't have good card advantage". If the card draw isn't in the 1-3 mana range, it is almost always too costly in opportunity cost to be worth a slot in your EDH deck.
Fourth: To address the OP, I wouldn't give White impulse type effects. I'd lean more into giving white a handful of small cantrips in the 1-2 mana range. I wouldn't make a white version of Brainstorm, but I sure would endorse a white version of Opt. Conditional card draw is neat, but I think deck building could be opened greatly just by giving white cards that say "Draw cards". I could also get behind a card like Glimpse of Nature except change "creature" to "enchantment". I also believe Cultivate would make a wonderful white card, and I could even be talked into Nature's Lore with "plains" instead of "forest" with a heavier mana weight in the cost. I think white has been left by the wayside, with designers still thinking white weenie and UW control as the only ways to design for the color.
5 months ago
Things that synergize with white's effects like counters with Mindless Automaton, lifegain with Well of Lost Dreams, and tokens or small dudes with Skullclamp, that or Sword of Fire and Ice for equipment strategies, Smuggler's Copter and Bonders' Enclave for other strategies.
And in white, after looking it up for Omniscience_is_life, here is my new, semi-educated package:
Land Tax, Mangara, the Diplomat, Alms Collector, Weathered Wayfarer, Mesa Enchantress, Kor Spiritdancer, Sram, Senior Edificer, Stonehewer Giant, Dawn of Hope, Puresteel Paladin, Mentor of the Meek, Bygone Bishop, Luminarch Ascension, Emeria, The Sky Ruin, Sun Titan, Sevinne's Reclamation, Ranger of Eos, and Castle Ardenvale
Not to mention tutors being Weathered Wayfarer/Ranger of Eos being tutors, alongside Steelshaper's Gift, Open the Armory, Recruiter of the Guard, Ranger-Captain of Eos, Academy Rector, Arena Rector, Call the Gatewatch, Idyllic Tutor, Enlightened Tutor, Heliod's Pilgrim, Quest for the Holy Relic, Three Dreams, Boonweaver Giant, Auratouched Mage, Djeru, With Eyes Open, Taj-Nar Swordsmith, Thalia's Lancers, Totem-Guide Hartebeest, Relic Seeker, Priest of the Wakening Sun, Forerunner of the Legion, Ignite the Beacon, Plea for Guidance, Kithkin Harbinger, etc.
Oh, and there is more, just look!
5 months ago
mccabej140: White has pure card draw in the forms of Mentor of the Meek, Wall of Omens, Bygone Bishop, Alms Collector, Dawn of Hope, Mangara, the Diplomat, Thraben Inspector, Scout's Warning and To Arms! (from a quick gatherer search).
In addition, it has artifact and enchantment based draw/tutor in the form of Enlightened Tutor, Sram, Senior Edificer, Puresteel Paladin, Stoneforge Mystic, Stonehewer Giant, Open the Armory, Steelshaper's Gift, Kor Spiritdancer and Mesa Enchantress to name a few.
That seems like plenty of options for card draw/tutors in white. And while seom of these are limitied to artifacts/equipment, you can't just write these off becuase your specific deck isn't heavy in that area. It's like saying that green's tutoring is crap becuase you can't tutor instants despite thefact that green has some of the best creature tutors.
"Fun" is also not an argument here. Just becuase you haven't played with or against stax decks and just becuase you don't find them fun does not mean that that you can just write the entire acrhitype off. There are plenty of people who really enjoy playing those decks and now you're effectively telling those people how to play Magic.
Some players don't like counterspells - does that mean that we shouldn't play them? Now blue has a big void until late game. Blue needs more ramp! it has to rely on artifacts, that's not fair to blue!
But the above logic is flawed. Counterspells exist and giving blue ramp would make it more powerful. Just like giving white a crapload of unrestriced draw. Stax exists and you can't just pretend it doesn't becuase you don't like playing it/against it. White exists on a balance between having draw and having stax and that balance is important.
channelfireball12345: see above.
I would ask the question to everyone here - if white has such bad card draw, then what's stopping you from splashing a second colour to fix the deficit? Why is there such a push to build mono-white decks?