DanceDanceRevolution (Zur cEDH)

Commander / EDH Artifact Combo Control Goodstuff Necropotence WUB (Esper)

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Instant (30)

• 1x Pact of Negation
• 1x An Offer You Can't Refuse
• 1x Chain of Vapor
• 1x Dark Ritual
• 1x Demonic Consultation
• 1x Dispel
• 1x Enlightened Tutor
• 1x Flusterstorm
• 1x Mental Misstep
• 1x Miscast
• 1x Mystical Tutor
• 1x Silence
• 1x Spell Pierce
• 1x Swan Song
• 1x Swords to Plowshares
• 1x Vampiric Tutor
• 1x Cabal Ritual
• 1x Cyclonic Rift
• 1x Dovin's Veto
• 1x Heliod's Intervention
• 1x Lim-Dul's Vault
• 1x Mana Drain
• 1x Narset's Reversal
• 1x Negate
• 1x Tainted Pact
• 1x Fierce Guardianship
• 1x Mindbreak Trap
• 1x Ad Nauseam
• 1x Force of Will
• 1x Misdirection

Sorcery (7)

• 1x Gitaxian Probe
• 1x Imperial Seal
• 1x Ponder
• 1x Preordain
• 1x Demonic Tutor
• 1x Timetwister
• 1x Windfall

Planeswalker (1)

• 1x Jace, Wielder of Mysteries

Land (29)

• 1x Adarkar Wastes
• 1x Ancient Tomb
• 1x Arid Mesa
• 1x Cavern of Souls
• 1x City of Brass
• 1x Command Tower
• 1x Darkslick Shores
• 1x Exotic Orchard
• 1x Flooded Strand
• 1x Gemstone Caverns
• 1x Glimmervoid
• 1x Hallowed Fountain
• 1x Island
• 1x Mana Confluence
• 1x Marsh Flats
• 1x Misty Rainforest
• 1x Morphic Pool
• 1x Otawara, Soaring City
• 1x Polluted Delta
• 1x Reliquary Tower
• 1x Scalding Tarn
• 1x Scrubland
• 1x Seachrome Coast
• 1x Spire of Industry
• 1x Swamp
• 1x Tundra
• 1x Underground River
• 1x Underground Sea
• 1x Watery Grave

Creature (7)

• 1x Esper Sentinel
• 1x Drannith Magistrate
• 1x Grand Abolisher
• 1x Orcish Bowmasters
• 1x Thassa's Oracle
• 1x Opposition Agent
• 1x Ranger-Captain of Eos

Commander (1)

Artifact (20)

• 1x Chrome Mox
• 1x Lotus Petal
• 1x Mana Crypt
• 1x Mox Diamond
• 1x Mox Opal
• 1x Ivory Tower
• 1x Mana Vault
• 1x Sensei's Divining Top
• 1x Sol Ring
• 1x Arcane Signet
• 1x Azorius Signet
• 1x Dimir Signet
• 1x Fellwar Stone
• 1x Grim Monolith
• 1x Talisman of Dominance
• 1x Talisman of Hierarchy
• 1x Talisman of Progress
• 1x Thought Vessel
• 1x Wishclaw Talisman
• 1x The One Ring

Enchantment (5)

• 1x Mystic Remora
• 1x Grasp of Fate
• 1x Necropotence
• 1x Out of Time
• 1x Rhystic Study

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The mana curve looks like gun fingers atm.

Comments especially welcome if you think I'm wrong.

I edit this often and pretty much at random, no mandela effect here.

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Welcome to a very opinionated page about the best 2 stroke canal boat in the command zone.

I've been playing Zur since he was good. Every card choice here is quite deliberate. The current focus of this deck is to control the stack while setting up Ad Nauseam. Lots of counterspells and mana help make things possible.

I find the offensive and defensive modality of counterspells to be more useful than disruptive permanents. "Stax pieces" (Zoomer word for lock piece), do not help Ad Nauseam decks combo off for the most part. Cards like Stony Silence and Arcane Laboratory are incredibly powerful at both stopping your enemies and you, which invalidates a lot of seemingly natural enchantment choices for a Zur deck. A few exceptions have crept in and out of the deck over the years depending on the flavour of the month. Drannith Magistrate is worth his weight in gold right now, as is Dauthi Voidwalker.

Instead of playing for a long game this deck is focused on setting up a combo win as fast as possible, and then executing it with a high degree of protection at the right moment.

Notable Card Omissions:

Jeweled Lotus: Doesn't help cast Ad Nauseam.

Emergence Zone: I'm declaring this a zoomer card until someone explains to me how i was playing it wrong all along.

Fierce Guardianship: Its in the deck now, because the casting cost is easier on blue mana than counterspell even if its not free.

Old Fierce Guardianship Opinion Show

Of all the free counterspells, i consider this one the most "win-more". Zur will usually draw hate while he's on the stack, which isn't guardianship's wheelhouse. Other games Zur won't even be needed in favour of a fast Ad Nauseaum. I could be wrong but this feels like a very below average deck for guardianship overall.

Force of Negation: Much like Fierce Guardianship but exacerbated, this card is only free in defensive situations and not on the winning turn. A 2 mana counter is much better if you're putting Zur on the stack or going for a win.

Yawgmoth's Will: We are living in the age of the machine gun now, and cavalry are obsolete. This is the scope of the paradigm shift that Underworld Breach has wrought. Yawgwill is now simply the second best yawgwill effect and mostly exists in an adjunct role to the enchantment. In addition without Dockside Extortionist or Lion's Eye Diamond its very hard to make Yawgmoth's Will fatal to your opponents or even very impressive. Furthermore Necropotence and Yawgmoth's Will are not synergistic. Its the wrong deck for a great card. I really cannot understate how big a deal Underworld Breach is for redefining how magic functions as a game. This is a new age.

Urza's Saga came out after a string of games with particularly bad mana. Many double white, double black, and double blue spells exist in this deck and i've decided that there is not enough room for this slower, colourless, utility land.

Praetor's Grasp just wasn't great in my meta. Without any Thassa's Oracles to fetch, this card is much worse.

Gilded Drake: This is a conflicting card. The power to swing a game is pretty obvious, but it also happens at sorcery speed and necessitates your opponents resolving something first. I'm much more inclined to have another counterspell in my deck than this card at this time.

Orcish Bowmasters This card is insane and should be included but i can't find 2 cuts (other cut for Windfall).

Cards I may soon try:

Orcish Bowmasters its power creep incarnate. Windfall Bowmasters gives this card potentially way more upside.

Cards that i currently consider the weakest in the deck:

Heliod, Sun-Crowned + Walking Ballista This combo might be superfluous compared to the pact combo, and having 6 total cards dedicated to winning is much more than 4. Being able to tutor half of it with Zur is a big potential upside so im trying it, but it wouldn't surprise me if its just too many combo cards.

Musings:

Eventually after many years I've decided to play Lotus Petal. Since having a commander is deterministic, and Zur always advances your game plan (in any situation where you could possibly come back), that drawing mana is always good. Even if its just a humble treasure.

I played about 30 games with Culling the Weak and my opinion went from very optimistic to somewhat negative. If culling is countered its basically asking to lose the game in a lot of situations, since you're down a creature as well and the creatures this deck actually casts are extremely high quality. Zur being 4 mana also doesn't synergize well with the ritual.

The boys in R&D aren't ready to talk about Omen Machine yet. Also most of that dev team was killed when the lab blew up.

Triskaidekaphile was on probationary trial because it does a lot of things and one of them ends the game. It was very low impact as expected, why not play Lab Maniac? (which i am/was also not playing)

Disenchant effects are highly important for a deck like this and for avoiding longer games.

Ivory Tower has finally come out for Serra Ascendant which is basically the same card but front loaded. The sorrow of this update is real, but ivory tower really doesn't secure games it like did in years past.

I'm rating In Too Deep extremely highly at the moment. My estimation could possibly drop but i can't imagine why or how. (It dropped in time, its not great.)

The deck was not leveraging Windfall enough to really justify it.

**2024 changes: **

The main ones are to add in more fast mana and a second infinite win condition with Ballista + Heliod combo, which might not even be that necessary but im trying it out.

Since Zur gets Necropotence the thing you want most for consistency is just having mana, mana, and more mana to lead into a big draw.

Lotho seems extremely powerful and consistent for mana purposes, and he makes the non blue signet and talisman much more attractive as well so they're in. (Lotho is currently out because the deck ended up having too much mana).

I'm yet to find room for both Orcish Bowmasters and Windfall but i'd like to play those.

Losing brainstorm hurts but its the worst cantrip to smooth out the early game and is somewhat win more.

Otawara is probably worse than a dual land of some sort but im also trying it out. (Ed: it was WAY worse)

Borne Upon a Wind seems much better than Emergence Zone. But it turned out to mostly be win more like most of the flash enablers i've tried.

Timetwister has finally come out in favour of The One Ring + Rhystic Study and Archivist of Oghma. I'm trying a draw engine package because i find im not respecting the potential for longer drawn out games and the lack of plan b draw was hurting me.

Changelog:

remove Urza's Saga for Exotic Orchard

remove Mana Leak for Esper Sentinel

remove Isochron Scepter for Lotus Petal

remove Talisman of Hierarchy for Jeweled Amulet

remove Remand for Opposition Agent

remove Jeweled Amulet for Culling the Weak

remove Copy Artifact for Drannith Magistrate

remove Teferi, Time Raveler for Grand Abolisher

remove Snapcaster Mage for Serra Ascendant

remove Dramatic Reversal for Lavinia, Azorius Renegade

remove Emergence Zone for Urza's Saga

remove Culling the Weak for Lightning Greaves

remove Serra Ascendant for Triskaidekaphile

remove Triskaidekaphile for Disenchant

remove Disenchant for Heliod's Intervention

remove Lavinia, Azorius Renegade for Praetor's Grasp

remove Praetor's Grasp for Dauthi Voidwalker

remove Ivory Tower for Serra Ascendant

remove Toxic Deluge for Damn

remove Seal of Cleansing for Grasp of Fate

remove Urza's Saga for Mystic Gate

remove Prismatic Vista for Glimmervoid

remove Plains for Morphic Pool

remove Windfall for An Offer You Can't Refuse

remove Damn for In Too Deep

2024 Update!!!!:

remove Peer into the Abyss for Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff

remove In Too Deep for Walking Ballista

remove Serra Ascendant for Heliod, Sun-Crowned

remove Mystic Gate for Otawara, Soaring City

remove Counterspell for Fierce Guardianship

remove Brainstorm for Borne Upon a Wind

remove Lightning Greaves for Orzhov Signet

remove Muddle the Mixture for Talisman of Hierarchy

remove Borne Upon a Wind for Rhystic Study

remove Lotho, Corrupt Shirriff for Archivist of Oghma

remove Timetwister for The One Ring

remove Otawara, Soaring City for Mystic Gate

remove Orzhov Signet for Orcish Bowmasters

remove Dauthi Voidwalker for Timetwister

remove Archivist of Oghma for Windfall

remove Walking Ballista for Ivory Tower

remove Heliod, Sun-Crowned for Mindbreak Trap

Old Musings Show

This is my attempt at a versatile deck designed for multiplayer. I've played this deck for a number of years now, and it has become exponentially more powerful over time. The original incarnation of the deck won with Helm of Obedience / Rest in Peace, they were retired for a more direct approach.

In the past it used traditional control strategies and mana denial while setting up a helm of obedience kill. Thassa's Oracle / Laboratory Maniac with Demonic Consultation / Tainted Pact were too good to ignore thought, and its now my primary way to win.

You can also "win" by getting Necropotence into play with an unlimited hand size card and Ivory Tower out.

I am taking suggestions into account, I'm just clearing them as I go because having a maybeboard looks untidy to me.

Other than that its mostly just good cards. Life is too short for bad cards.

Later notes:

-I tried Aven Mindcensor over seal of cleaning but more decks in my meta play Winter Orb than fetchlands and seal is great for breaking parity effects.

-suppression field is good against my friends (seal of cleansing was removed for this but eventually i went back)

-whoever made the time raveler was high out of his fukken mind

-TFW you finally play with some power after all these years:

-Empyrial Armor used to be a critical part of the deck, but its currently on the sideline. I may put this in as a backup wincon or as a way for zur to batter down planeswalkers, but at this point its not optimal.

-Wishclaw Talisman is pretty sick, if you can't use it to set up a win you can at least get Stony Silence with it

-Zur attacking has become a backup plan, which feels good. Attacking with a zur in a 4 player game can get pretty difficult.

-How the evolution of this deck has felt:

2021:

-remove merchant scroll for peer into the abyss

-remove inventors fair for emergence zone

-memnonic betrayal? -abolish?

-remove drowned catacomb for gemstone caverns

-remove mystic gate for mesa

-remove stony silence and mana leak for isochronic reversal

-remove pithing needle for toxic deluge

-remove big tezz to put mana leak back

-remove rest in peace for windfall

Cards i'd like to play in a perfect world: Damn, Vedalken Shackles, seal of removal, snap, cursed totem

Date added	6 years
Last updated	1 month
Legality	This deck is Commander / EDH legal.
Rarity (main - side)	17 - 0 Mythic Rares 52 - 0 Rares 16 - 0 Uncommons 13 - 0 Commons
Cards	100
Avg. CMC	1.85
Tokens	Bird 2/2 U, Orc Army, Treasure