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Feed the Swarm
Sorcery
Destroy target creature or enchantment an opponent controls. You lose life equal to that permanent's converted mana cost/mana value.
Last_Laugh on Marchesa, the Black Rose
1 day ago
I have several suggestions for you. I'll keep things budget friendly and if you're picking up what I'm putting down, I can also help suggest some cuts.
First off is enchantment removal. There's hardly any options in th5ese colors but I recommend running all 3 so problematic enchantments like Solemnity or Rest in Peace don't wreck your day. Chaos Warp, Feed the Swarm, and Canoptek Tomb Sentinel are all budget friendly and worth their weight in gold here. Another good boardwipe here is Last One Standing.
I don't really do theft in my Marchesa list, but Gisa, Glorious Resurrector is the exception and holy crap does she put in some dirty work.
Next is card draw. Liliana's Standard Bearer, Lethal Scheme, Plumb the Forbidden, and Sage of Fables are all good budget options here. Sage will also come down before Marchesa and immediately give her or any other wizards you run a +1+1 counter. Plumb in response to boardwipes or right before your turn will refill your grip (instant speed and pseudo dodging counterspells makes this card). Also, Danny Pink's price has been sloooowly climbing but it's a very real possibility you'll find one in your LGS dollar binder and omg is this thing absolutely nuts!
On the subject of alternate sources of +1+1 counters... Thran Vigil only works on your turn but it'll get new counters on anything you stole and sac'ed on your turn. Vigean Graftmage let's you sac 2 creatures on everyone's turn (itself + whatever) to abuse etb/death triggers like Gray Merchant of Asphodel or even Grim Haruspex card draw. Spark Double I guess falls into this category and copies either Marchesa for double Dethrone or whatever your meanest etb/death trigger is at the time.
I'm also guessing Rakdos Locket was supposed to be Rakdos Signet.
Feel free to check out my list for ideas. It's far from budget friendly overall but I run everything I recommended. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Every Masochist Needs a Marchesa to Love Them
Profet93 on Kill, Kill and Kill some more.
6 days ago
Cabal Stronghold/Cabal Coffers - Former budget, latter not. Big black mana producing lands. Contamination does shut them off though. Should that be an issue, note Infernal Darkness as a potential alternative.
Crypt of Agadeem - Ramp
Bojuka Bog - Personally, not a huge fan of tapped lands. But with fetches, you can use at instant speed. Not needed but worth considering depending on amount of GY decks in the meta.
Shizo, Death's Storehouse > Rogue's passage - Once budget opens, this is an upgrade. Not needed but worth considering.
Contamination - Sacrifice synergy. High synergy with bitterblossom, reassembling skeleton and any other creature that can return to field.
Syphon Mind > Dark Tutelage - While you have a relatively low avg cmc of 3.00, black has better draw that doesn't hurt you as badly. Not to mention it's steady draw, which can be good, but sometimes burst draw is preferred. Syphon mind is draw 3, each opponent discard 1. Budget friendly too.
Skullclamp - Speaking of draw, this goes well with all your sac synergies.
Murderous Rider > Murder - Can hit Walkers, is versatile as a creature with lifelink that can recoup your lifeloss. Almost a strict upgrade.
Feed the Swarm - Removal that hits enchantments. Black has difficult with artifacts and enchantments. I can provide you with some potential artifact removal should you wish depending on your meta. But this might be worth considering given that a Rest in Peace can mess u up.
Maybe Corpse Dance - With your sac outlets, you can ignore the negative aspect of the card. Also do note that after a wipe, you can choose the order in which your creatures enter the GY if they go together simultaneously.
Dark Ritual - Simple ritual ramp
Mind Stone - Ramp when you need it, draw when you don't.
Oubliette - Commander hate
At the risk of being too risky and pricey, Hatred - Do note life loss is additional cost to cast but it can be fun with use with your commander, either with it's ability or commander damage. Not to mention the political aspect of using it on your opponents attacking each other (Bonus points if you use it on their commander).
Profet93 on I BEG YOUR F@CKING PARDON??!!! - Razaketh
1 week ago
Thank you for your detailed reply. Based on your description of your decks and the meta which pilots similar decks, you're right, you do have those 2 choices. If you want to make it lower power, remove some ramp and increase your average cmc by adding cards with higher CMC. Personally, rather than power it down and not making it do what it's supposed to do, keep it as your higher powered, non cEDH deck. That way should you face against someone else, then you can stand your ground. That being said, I wouldn't spend too much $ on it, especially if you don't know how it performs in a stronger meta.
This deck is not close to cEDH level. cEDH decks have a smaller commander list, much lower average cmc and much more interaction. They have expensive, powerful cards, and adapt to their meta with a multitude of cards.
I'm unsure if you're aware but EDHREC is a great resource. You mention you want artifact / enchantment removal that doesn't destroy your stuff. Mono black doesn't have many options, I can list them all (if you want, lmk). For now, I believe your best bet is Ugin, the Ineffable. It's ramp for almost 20% of your deck, creates blockers/draw and can hit enchantments (and some artifacts). Another good idea which goes with the lifeloss is Feed the Swarm. If you need specific artifact hate, I have some as well.
I have more ideas for the deck but want your thoughts prior to providing additional suggestions so I know I'm going in the right direction. Do you like combos? Is stax/more control okay? $ per card you're willing to spend?
Crow_Umbra on Obeka, Splitter of Seconds - Shanghai Dawn
2 weeks ago
Definitely one of the cooler new commander options out of Thunder Junction. I'm pretty interested in seeing the variety of Obeka build variants we will be getting.
Your deck looks pretty fun! The only suggestions I have are in regards to your removal/interaction. You seem pretty light beyond the counterspells. Slots are at a premium, but Feed the Swarm and Chaos Warp might be worth keeping in your back pocket, since Grixis can have a hard time dealing with Enchantments, aside from countering them.
Profet93 on goth worm mommy life sucker
3 weeks ago
Cut Voltaic Key - There are only like 4 rocks that go positive with it, you don't get much value of out it.
Cut Gravestorm - Nice repetitive draw but often times player's gy's are filled and this won't help mid-late game.
Cut Soul Stair Expedition and Epicure of Blood - There are much better cards to add
Cut Lotus Field + Lotus Vale - Anti synergy to coffers, one of the lotuses can be strip mined against. No synergy benefit for the deck. Swap them with either a Deserted Temple, Thespian's Stage, or more swamps. Should you wish, including a fetchland or 2 is a nice instant speed way to bring out bojuka bog. Moreover, Urborg allows you to keep your lands as swamps and then shuffle the deck with top should you not like your upcoming draws
Introduction to Annihilation - I know you need artifact/enchantment removal. Add in a Feed the Swarm and/or a Karn Liberated if it's really given you issues.
Bolas's Citadel + Aetherflux Reservoir + Sensei's Divining Top = Good times!
Some lower costed ramp to get your commander out more quickly such as Dark Ritual and Mind Stone are helpful
Imp's Mischief - "Counter" counterspells while redirecting targeted removal, draw and extra turns! Given your deck is commander reliant + Your lich enchantment, this can serve you very well.
HeavenlyAxe on
4 weeks ago
Hey Indie,
First off I really like the lands you have assembled and the suggestions from SufferFromEDHD are all good.
You are definitely going to want an artifact ramp package.
Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Arcane Signet, Fellwar Stone, Gilded Lotus, Thran Dynamo
Special Mention to Nyx Lotus, it could be good being in mono black. and Jeweled Lotus, pays for your commander for free on turn 1 even.
Sword of the Animist is not bad ramp at all and buffs yours rats
Commander's Plate might be cute.
Liliana of the Dark Realms, makes sure you always get a land drop and could make your swamps tap for four.
Chittering Witch if your playing with more opponents.
Crypt Ghast is sort of ramp, but doubles your swamps. Very good in mono black.
Dauthi Voidwalker is not on theme at all but is just sooo much value in a two cost card I have to recommend it.
God-Eternal Bontu is excellent draw power in the right situation.
Dont forget you can run any number of Relentless Rats
Gray Merchant of Asphodel will heal you up a lot and hurt your opponents
Krav, the Unredeemed is also great card draw.
Yawgmoth, Thran Physician, has card draw, removal, and proliferate all on one card
Deadly Rollick, potentially free removal
Defile, cheap good removal
Thrilling Encore saves you from a board wipe or lets you bring everything back after sacrificing it all to like God-Eternal Bontu
Phyrexian Arena some ok card draw.
Bojuka Bog if you are worried about graveyards
Mutilate, a good board wipe in mono black
Night's Whisper, Read the Bones, Sign in Blood, are a great draw package for mono black
Toxic Deluge a great board wipe for when things need resetting, and you could follow with Thrilling Encore and get it all back
Syphon Mind is great draw if your playing with more players
Victimize - is really really strong, get rid of one weak thing for two of your best things
Yawgmoth's Will - lets you treat your graveyard like your hand for a turn
Lord Skitter, Sewer King makes rats
Marrow-Gnawer - lets you make lots of rats
Infectious Inquiry - good draw and gives poison
Ogre Slumlord - makes rats when your creatures or your opponents creatures die.
Tangled Colony - if your opponent has to block it or it dies to like Blasphemous Act will make you rats
Vraska's Fall removal and poison counter
Drown in Ichor removal and poison
Bontu's Monument all your creatures cost less
Rat Colony can have any number and they buff themselves, and cost less mana than Relentless Rats
Typhoid Rats deathtouch rat opponents wont want to block
Crypt Rats can board wipe but can also win the game if you give it infect, doesnt work with your commander because toxic specifies combat damage but does work if you give it infect and deal damage with it's ability.
Ratcatcher tutors rats, and gives you card advantage
Ashcoat of the Shadow Swarm - buffs your rats and lets you get rats back
Wave of Rats has blitz and reanimates itself
Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni rat that steals opponents stuff
Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion rat that steals opponents stuff
Adaptive Automaton is a rat and buffs rats
Okiba-Gang Shinobi rat makes opponents discard and has ninjutsu
Filth gives all your rats swampwalk pairs well with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Dark Ritual lets your get a head start or some extra mana a turn you need it
Tainted Strike instant speed infect, funny in multiplayer because you can use it on anyone's creatures.
Phyresis Outbreak gives poison and might kill opponents creatures
Feed the Swarm enchantment removal in black
Vat Emergence gets a creature back and proliferates
Spread the Sickness destroys a creatures and proliferates
Pact of the Serpent strong tribal card draw
Living Death swap graveyards with battlefields, great after sacrificing your whole board to draw cards
Skullclamp sack small rats for card draw
Thrumming Stone if you go the Relentless Rats or Rat Colony route
Coat of Arms your rats will be huge
Bolas's Citadel this card is dumb lol, lots of casting power and then you hit Gray Merchant of Asphodel and keep going lol
Icon of Ancestry kinda draw buffs rats...is ok
Contagion Engine proliferate twice each time you activate
Eldrazi Monument gives creatures flying indestructible and +1/+1
Grafted Exoskeleton gives a creature infect, great with Crypt Rats
Sword of Truth and Justice proliferate sword
Bad Moon buff all black creatures, opponents too
Phyresis gives infect again good with Crypt Rats
Greed card draw
Vraska, Betrayal's Sting proliferate planes walker
I know that's a lot but hopefully gave you some ideas to work with!
Profet93 on Mind-Gnawer
1 month ago
Cabal Coffers/Cabal Stronghold - Ramp
Deserted Temple - Untap the above / politics
Thespian's Stage/Vesuva - Copy cabal
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - Color fixing, not needed but nice to have if you include coffers.
Mind Twist - Random discard, super effective ramped into and as counterspell bait
Imp's Mischief - "Counter" counterspells and redirect targeted removal, draw and extra turns. Given your deck is extremely reliant on your commander, having some protection/bluff ability/utility is very valuable.
Bubbling Muck - Ramp
Feed the Swarm - Enchantment removal
Syphon Mind - Draw 3, each opponent discard 1
Vampiric Tutor - Tutor
Profet93 on Tergrid removal pants
1 month ago
I wasn't sure what your budget per card is but this should hopefully not break the bank. I can recommend cuts should you wish
Feed the Swarm - Enchantment removal
Mind Twist - Note it states random, especially effective if ramped into in the early game. Also useful as counterspell bait.
Night's Whisper - Draw
Nightmare Unmaking - Versatile wipe
Sheoldred's Edict/Hero's Downfall - PW Removal
Bubbling Muck - Ramp! Highly recommended. Especially because you're not running urborg
Ill-Gotten Gains - Up to you, could be useful, could backfire.
Barter in Blood - Mass sacrifice
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