Mystic Forge reduced costs and Painter's Servant
Asked by Ziggy101 4 years ago
Mystic Forge + Mycosynth Lattice + Ugin, the Ineffable + Painter's Servant on my battlefield.
Celestial Dawn on top of my library.
Q1: How much do I need to pay to cast Celestial Dawn ? 1 or 2?
Celestial Dawn makes all permanents white. Painter's Servant makes all permanents the color of my choice in addition to its other color.
Q2: Does Celestial Dawn override Painter's Servant ability so all permanents are just white or will my permanents and spells be both white and another color from Painter's Servant ?
Thank you
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #2
You will either pay 2 or 3 for Celestial Dawn depending on the timestamps of Mycosynth Lattice and Painter's Servant . Ugin only reduces the generic portion of mana costs, therefore the max discount on Celestial Dawn is going to be 1. If Painter's Servant came into the battlefield first Mycosynth Lattice will make your cards colorless after they were made a color and Ugin's discount will apply. If Mycosynth Lattice entered the battlefield first Painter's Servant makes them a color after they become colorless and they are no longer colorless and Ugin's discount doesn't apply.
In this specific example all your non-land permanents and non-land cards are white, and lands and land cards will be either colorless or the color you picked with Painter according to the same timestamp rules as before. If Painter enters after Celestial Dawn all non-land permanents and cards will be both colors and land permanents and cards will be the painter color.
September 6, 2019 8:02 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #3
I didn't see that Celestial Dawn was on top of the library. If you can cast it, it will cost 2. Use the same timestamp rules that I explained for determining if it was colorless for the Ugin cost reduction and apply them to the Mystic Forge ability.
Ziggy101 says... #1
I think I found the answer.
Celestial Dawn can't be cast because its no longer colorless due to Painter's Servant .
So just need help with Q2.
Thanks
September 6, 2019 7:56 a.m.