Looking some clarification on possible Interactions with Thing in the Ice // Awoken Horror from SoI set

Asked by urasa 8 years ago

I was considering the interaction of Thing in the Ice // Awoken Horror as it looks at first glance like it may function in a similar manner to the classic Dark Depths with Thespian's Stage combo if you used a clone card to target it. My questions are what happens when a cloned cards meets the transformation criteria and tries to transform and to clarifi that the line stating all "non-horror creatures are returned to there owners hand" is specifically designed to prevent this method of 'breaking' this card

DJSeras says... #1

March 22, 2016 5:53 p.m.

DJSeras says... #2

Sorry for accidentally posting before having all of my information.
Please try to link all cards in your questions to make answering the question easier for any readers.

There is a ruling related to cloning DFC's or Double Face Cards:
"711.3. Except for determining whether or not a permanent can transform, a spell, ability, effect, or rule that needs information about a double-faced permanent sees only the information given by the face that's currently up."

Example: A Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of Wildblood Pack (the back face of a double-faced card). The Clone will be a copy of the Wildblood Pack. Because the Clone is itself not a double-faced card, it can't transform.

So in simplest terms cloning a Double Faced Card is only as good as the face up side used at the time of cloning as a copy or clone is itself not a double faced card and is not capable of transforming, and even if it could the copy doesn't know anything about the copied cards properties on the facedown side.

March 22, 2016 6:01 p.m.

Colgate says... Accepted answer #3

"701.25a: Only permanents represented by double-faced cards can transform. (See rule 711, "Double-Faced Cards.") If a spell or ability instructs a player to transform any permanent that isn't represented by a double-faced card, nothing happens."

March 22, 2016 6:03 p.m.

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