Interaction between copying and abilities with limited uses per turn
Asked by Coward_Token 5 years ago
Lazav, the Multifarious copies a Akki Avalanchers in its controller's graveyard and uses the Avalanchers' ability. Lazav then uses its native ability to copy the Avalanchers again. Can it use the land-saccing ability once more? What if it similarly copies Karador, Ghost Chieftain?
(Assume no flickering is involved.)
It looks like due to 602.5c, Madcookie is correct. The restriction appears to be tied to the ability, not to the permanent, so even though Lazav is the same permanent when it re-copies another creature, its copied abilities are all new copies of the abilities, so the restrictions are reset.
Madcookie says... Accepted answer #1
It took me awhile but this is what I've found.
So the interaction is this you pay , then Lazav, the Multifarious becomes a copy of Akki Avalanchers and gains its ability. You sack a land and Lazav gets +2/+0 until end of turn and applies a restriction on the ability. Then if you want to continue the pumping, for each use of the ability you must pay and have Lazav, the Multifarious become a copy of Akki Avalanchers again, thus overwriting his previous (despite the same) "face" and triggering the 706.2 rule and gaining a new instance of Akki Avalanchers's printed ability. Now while the new ability shares a name with a previously used ability, it can still be activated because it is another instance of the same ability (see rule 602.5c below)
706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.
602.5c If an object acquires an activated ability with a restriction on its use from another object, that restriction applies only to that ability as acquired from that object. It doesn’t apply to other, identically worded abilities.
Cheers!
P.S. I'm 99% sure I'm right and really hope I'm since this took me 30 min ;/
November 10, 2018 11:48 a.m.