Bothersome Quasit + Marisi + First Strike Damage
Asked by Last_Laugh 1 year ago
If I have Bothersome Quasit, Marisi, Breaker of the Coil, an unblocked first/double strike creature, and some blocked creatures. What happens with the blocked creatures when the first/double strike creature deals combat damage to a player and all their creatures become goaded before normal combat damage and can no longer block?
I'm guessing my guys are still considered blocked but neither attackers nor their blockers would deal damage barring my attackers having trample (similar to removing an already declared blocker before damage)?
Last_Laugh says... #2
TsaboTavoc I'm very familiar with Reconnaissance so what you're saying makes sense. The only clarification would be the trample thing. You're saying the blockers toughness subtracts from my damage dealt to the defending player but doesn't kill the blocker, right?
February 12, 2023 11:37 p.m.
TsaboTavoc says... #4
The blockers toughness subtracts from your damage done(in the case of trample) or doesn't allow any player damage(without trample), blockers and attackers that receive lethal damage would be put in the graveyard at the end of combat as normal. Reconnaissance is a great example of the removal/sack blockers tactic because the italics text makes it clear what's happening with that card, however that's not what's happening with your combo.
Another way to think about the text "Goaded creatures can't block" would be to expand and specify it as "Goaded creatures can't be assigned to block in a combat phase". Creatures currently assigned as blockers would not be affected by this text until the next time a player attempted to assign blocking as the "assign blockers" stage has already passed.
February 13, 2023 12:30 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #5
I think there was some confusion early in the thread, so without referencing what people have previously said, since that is where the confusion seemed to stem from...
Making it so that creatures can not block after blockers have been declared has no effect. It is like giving a creature flying or making it unblockable after blocks have been declared. The creatures are still a blocking creature and a blocked creature and they will deal damage to each other with you having the option on creatures with trample to assign damage beyond lethal to the blockers to the defending player.
February 16, 2023 9:05 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #6
Last_Laugh: Answers to your question have been up for a while. Since there don't seem to be any more follow-ups or corrections to be made, I marked one of them as the "Accepted answer" so this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. In the future you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question.
TsaboTavoc says... #1
I think you're right except the part about tramplers going through similar to removing a creature from combat.
All damage during that combat phase would occur normally. Blockers have been assigned before any damage is resolved. Say you had the two creatures on the field and attacked with Atarka, World Render, it would follow as normal: attack, opponent assigns blockers, first/double strike damage resolves(triggering Marisi, Breaker of the Coil's second ability, triggering Bothersome Quasit's second ability), normal damage resolves.
However unlike sacking a creature, e.g. Sakura-Tribe Elder, any blockers would still be on the battlefield and be able to absorb some of the damage from your attackers(even those with trample/double strike), even though they are now goaded and unable to be assigned as blockers in the future. They have the status of blocker for the current combat phase which is not removed until the end of combat or they are removed from the field. I'm curious if this makes sense or what you and others think.
February 12, 2023 11:11 p.m.