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jubale Generally speaking with most the energy decks some of the counters come out in favor of hand hate (Harsh Scrutiny, Doomfall,Duress to help to answer the early Attune with Aether or Blossoming Defense, and mid late game any Bristling Hydra, Glorybringer, or The Scarab God. Otherwise the idea is to early game mid game pick where I can and setup Treasures so that turn 6-9 I can try to get to a Marionette Master or otherwise stall long enough to hit that or a Torment of Hailfire to stabilize the late game accompanied with the removal like Bontu's Last Reckoning to help get around the hexproof-iness and late game mass of bodies.
December 11, 2017 10:32 a.m.
No just run one more. Still gotta think about coneistency and Marionette is a direct loss of life where with torment permanents can be sac'ed as well as hands ditched to help bring the number down so who knows. We still have more to see in the coming weeks. Treasures are lookin like they get a bump but that likely means there will be a more direct way of dealing with them in the set too.
December 9, 2017 3:21 a.m.
Only difference is right now in real life Baral is Hostage Taker. Thinkin bout ditching him.
December 9, 2017 1:53 a.m.
Very much do-able but I wouldnt make it a centerpiece. Maybe a 1 of or max 2 of em. Dont wanna take up too much room from other cards. That facilitate the combo
December 7, 2017 11:18 a.m.
I'm up and down about Duress. Its one of those 50/50 maybe it'll be useful and hit a card we need to hit in hand, maybe it won't. But in the worst case you now know what's in their hand for the most part to make Spell Pierce or Negate more useful.
December 6, 2017 11:27 p.m.
And that is why i leaned u towrds flyers cause with all the fetch snd extra mana and spikes in damage from dowsing you can just flood the field if you need with evasive flyers. Combo deck turns into good ole beatdown weenies in the end.
December 6, 2017 11:10 p.m.
Yup exactly why i run torment as a backup wincon and scarab gods in sideboard to back them up as well.
December 6, 2017 11:09 p.m.
I accept your apology, but if you are offended by results of testing that is your problem cuz in case you forgot I made one suggestion and you immediately tried shooting it down while commenting on a deck that isn't your deck. Keep that in mind for the future.
So yeah as soon as you start trying to shoot my suggestions down is why you got a rude tone it's not your place to shoot someone else's suggestion down on a deck that isn't yours. That is why I say think before you speak cuz you had no place to speak like that to someone else about another persons deck.
Also if you are frustrated that a veteran player is telling you a deck has no consistency on a deck that isn't even yours that is your problem. Im stating facts. Dont take it so personal. We are talkin about cards not each other. It's information not insults.
If I tell you I 2-0'd you it's a fact not conjecture. If that bothers you, again that is on you. It's just letting you know how the deck fared in the matchup.
And since you are new, most decks get tested in a competitive format as it tells you the most realistic data about the deck in the terms of how magic gets structured for FNM and other events
With all that said no worries.
December 6, 2017 7:07 p.m.
BTW decks played competitively don't go into the lineups you say. Games are best 2 out of 3 so how were u 2-2 and 2-3?
December 6, 2017 4:03 p.m.
You can disagree all you want but do not question another player like that. 15 years of playing events in standard and modern I feel pretty comfortable in saying what I'm saying. And I play test all ideas thoroughly before even speaking about it.
You should think before you speak as well
December 6, 2017 3:59 p.m.
Legendary_penguin_of_death I have been playing competitively for 15 years. I'm sure I'm playing the deck just fine and watch your tone. lol or not that's fucking rude. Do it again and you'll be blocked from my pages.
I tested the deck against traditional U/B control, Treasure Control, Temur Energy, Four-Color Energy, Desert Red, and Ramunap Red. Believe me when I say it doesn't play out well for his or my version. Your version I even tested against my deck and it lost 2-0, 2-1, and 2-0 with the lowest you got my life at 7. Temur and 4 color energy just destroys all 3. Without question.
amurphy1893 Aethersphere Harvester is a great idea. Totally forgot about him. That would definitely fit the flying bill, touch of lifelink and artifact to fetch or replay. If you do, reinclude Aether Hub for the energy to help feed it.
December 6, 2017 3:57 p.m.
The reason i set the deck this way is its functional and has enough ability to be reconfigured for different situations and has a steady rate of damage with all the flying bodies and protection for them. Plus then extra damage from dagger which leads to more mana for more bodies and a better chance to play all the needed pieces quickly. This deck can at least attempt to survive without the combo and only gets better from the combo pieces being out like the dagger and panharmonicon. Is there room to improve..sure..but for a base build it will get the job done with a bit more consistency.
December 6, 2017 3:31 p.m.
Might be... You are assuming what they are taking and what will be on the field for it to work like you want it too. Too many assumptions being made on a multi piece combo for it to be consistent. Do you see what im getting at? Every time i play the deck the combo is so slow to form or doesn't fully assemble. Or loses before the combo can do any real damage. In the 7 times i played this against my deck it lost 6...not a good ratio, and that is after sideboaring for control You are too focused on the combo that if the combo falls apart you dont have a deck left that can win without the combo. NO CONSISTENCY.
December 6, 2017 3:23 p.m.
aerialist if cheap flyer filler. there are other options you can deduce on your own. no hostage taker because why use him? I can say right off the bat you won't get to use the card you steal with him cause he paints a huge target on his head and dies to pretty much immediate against all normal burn cards and removal. Playing him at FNM is always this result hence why I took him out of my deck as well. you steal something for 4 mana for a 2/3 and they almost always get it right back. At the very best its fodder to get them to burn a spell off. no aviary because no flying and thats kinda specific for just one card plus once it flips you can't blink it anymore. and you won't need it to blink for more bodies because you will already be getting the early damage in that a regular trigger for him late game will be letal if not crippling. But it's your deck. Do what you want with it. This is just a design Idea.
December 6, 2017 3:01 p.m.
that penguin guy already commented on it too
December 6, 2017 1:08 p.m.
What boils down on this deck is that with all the flying its gonna get more early damage so that if the combo or torment goes off it'll be crippling either way if not fatal.
December 6, 2017 12:47 p.m.
Legendary_penguin_of_death, Refurbish is there as a backup in case anything gets countered destroyed or otherwise discarded to maintain cards in hand. It allows you to discard your artifacts IF needed to get other more useful cards in that moment and still be able to bring it back later either from that or from removal while having all the other fetch options that exist anyway in deck. Torment of Hailfire is an option and I stated that A) this is verson without it. B) Yes flyers help get the trigger to flip for tons of extra manna to keep things moving early. The version with Torment of Hailfire will be void of Refurbish and instead have the Torment of Hailfire. Other option as a mana dump in this version instead of Refurbish could be Pull from Tomorrow or maybe a beatstick creature like The Scarab God or even Herald of Anguish or Sphinx of Magosi cause a turn 3 flip of Dowsing Dagger could get really out of hand fast with a big guy out there turn 4.
December 6, 2017 12:35 p.m.
Keep in mind this was quick and I'm sure could use some tweaking but general idea is there.
December 6, 2017 11:17 a.m.
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