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HerculesMorse I personally think that Infiltration Lens is just too slow for this deck, and the modern format in general, as this deck really wants to close the game quickly, and in order to achieve low variance I have tried to make the list as consistent and pressurized as possible.
February 25, 2017 4:01 p.m.
While it would be totally possible to play Rishkar, Peema Renegade, I would stay away from it for a few reasons,
Variance: Given that this deck already needs a certain handful of cards in order to combo off, you are just making the deck more janky and less consistent, as most decks in modern can easily deal with Rishkar and creatures like him, since decks like Affinity are rampaging across the format. In addition, the usage of non-mana dork creatures only increases the chance that you will not be able to combo off as fast or at all in certain situations, and I don't think Rishkar has enough value to be played in this deck.
Rishkar's cmc is 3, which means that instead of comboing off, you've instead decided to play a 2/2 (or 3/3) and thats about it, if anything, more tutors/card filtering is what I would look towards, as the combo is fun and all, but if you don't start with it, it seems that you'll have trouble getting all the pieces for it.
If you were going after 3 drops, the only real efficient 3 drops to play with this kind of deck strategy would be to play cards like Ensnaring Bridge, as it can be a total blowout for aggro.
Since you are building a scepter lists, here's one online that seems to have a similar plan to yours, but wins through Chalice of Death instead. I think this list has some great ideas you could look at.
Those are my thoughts on it, if you think that it'll work, I'd try it out, as your lists stands, taking out other cards just seems less effective.
February 22, 2017 1:47 a.m.
February 16, 2017 1:40 a.m.
Oh shoot you are right! I guess I need to read the cards more sometimes.
While it is totally possible to play with the Zhur-Taa Druid, he was asking about how to make the manabase less clunky, and the only real way to do that would be to cut out the red.
February 14, 2017 2:17 p.m.
February 13, 2017 3:10 a.m.
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, make sure to use the user button in comment writing, that way they get a notification about your response.
I think that the Blue Sun's Zenith idea is probably your best option, and Llanowar Elves or Elvish Mystic would be my replacement for Zhut-Ta, Unless you want something like Talisman of Impulse for red mana support. Also, if lifegain is the issue, I'd recommend something like Blessed Alliance, as it's extremely useful. Another thing you can do is put a scepter in the sideboard so you can fetch it with Glittering Wish. Painlands could also be the answer. These are just ideas however, as I feel a deck like burn is simply a bad matchup for you, because every deck has at least one.
February 13, 2017 12:33 a.m.
The other fun card you can play is Hunted Horror, since they can't get the tokens if you can't target them.
February 10, 2017 4:50 a.m.
February 10, 2017 4:16 a.m.
I once tried Dash Hopes it doesn't work against burn (or really any deck for that matter), you just don't have enough pressure for them to care, they'll be perfectly fine with you using your turn to counter a spell, since their deck is fully capable of drawing tons of gas. While it works when you are in top deck, it's otherwise terrible.
Also, Liliana of the Dark Realms is not built for a midrange deck period, all it does is give you a swamp in most matchups, and at it's best it's a kill spell for a a creature with toughness 3 or less for FOUR MANA when it drops. What would you rather draw a 3 drop planeswalker that hates on almost every deck in the format and can win games. The only credible replacement for veil is Liliana, the Last Hope as a 1-2 of of in combination with 2-3 veil.
Whip of Erebos is how you beat the UWx decks, as if you stick whip, you can keep getting value out of garys and obliterators while gaining life.
I do concur however that some additional discard in the side would be nice. As even Duress should have a place since you need discard to hose decks like Tron.
February 10, 2017 4:12 a.m.
Also the fact that fetches are run makes this deck worse against burn since you have to burn yourself to fetch basics.
February 10, 2017 1:52 a.m.
Burn isn't a great matchup for Mono-Black, as many people compare decks like Mono-black midrange to bad jund, and jund itself suffers against burn. (modern is a rock paper scissors format for a reason, there is an answer for EVERYTHING) I mean think about it, Bloodghast, Bloodsoaked Champion, Gatekeeper of Malakir, and Geralf's Messenger are ALL bad against burn, as Eidolon of the Great Revel punishes you for playing any and all of these creatures, and most of them can't block effectively (or at all) against burn. The only real chance a mono-black deck has against burn is to play Whip of Erebos, which wouldn't be a bad one or two of for the sideboard in this deck, as you can grind out value with Gray Merchant of Asphodel.
February 10, 2017 1:44 a.m.
First of all, thanks for commenting!
While I concur that Spirit guide could be a turn 1 Kiln Fiend play, it contributes nothing else to the deck, to be honest it would likely just replace a land, I just don't know if it's consistent or worth it to play it. It also goes against budget, but I'll add it to the maybeboard.
February 9, 2017 4:44 p.m.
Pack Rat was put in my old Rack deck sideboard as a way to beat out the decks that use Leyline of Sanctity, as even though Lilli can be fantastic at keeping hand size down, many decks in the format can combo off well before you get them into top deck mode, and as we both know, Pack Rat gets out of hand very quickly. (It was swapped in over bridge if bridge was not effective game 1)
The article I was talking about Tom Ross on 8-Rack
The other card I'm suprised to not see in your deck is Smallpox as it sets most decks back at least one turn, and is a spectacular way to beat decks like infect that can kill you on turn 2.
February 9, 2017 4:37 p.m.
Cool deck, so +1. I have a few suggestions,
Move Ensnaring Bridge into the main, likely over Asylum Visitor, While I do like the concept of Ayslum Vistor drawing you cards, Ensnaring Bridge can save you from the aggro decks in the meta. Also, any deck you face will already be bringing in their artifact hate in game 2, giving them more targets to destroy. (Tom Ross made this an excellent point in his article about 8-rack)
I'd reccomend Pack Rat over death's shadow, as Pack Rat is far more efficient at overruning your opponent, and any deck you bring it in against will likely be an unfair deck like Tron or Scapeshift, or a control build that'll get rid of their removal post board.
I'd try out Delirium Skeins, it's a little gem that sees some play in some 8-rack builds as a one of, and is also a game ending card, because lets just say you need to deal 3 to your opponent to win, but they have 3 cards in hand, this card not only can get rid of your opponent's hand, it also ditches any dead removal cards you have been keeping in your hand.
February 9, 2017 2:39 p.m.
As I also play Mono-black devotion. I gotta say I do like this deck (+1), so I only have a few suggestions.
Since you are running a bunch of fetch lands, I'd try to experiment with putting some Overgrown Tombs into the deck, this would allow you to play Back to Nature and/or Maelstrom Pulse and cards like in the sideboard to help out against decks like Ad Nausseum, I haven't played much against the deck, but I feel getting rid of Leyline of Sanctity and Phyrexian Unlife is very relevent.
Regardless whether or not you try out number 1, I'd suggest putting in either Damnation or Mutilate into the sideboard as at least a one-of, as decks like Elves and Affinity can kill you really quickly, and with a bunch of creatures that can't block, you might not be able to live long enough to slam Obliterator.
I'm unsure about Bloodsoaked Champion as it is exactly what it is, a bad bloodghast. I'm amazed that you didn't put Gifted Aetherborn into the main, imo it should replace champion, as anybody who says "it's bad, cuz it dies to bolt" has never played mono-black competitively, as Vampire Nighthawk is one of the best cards in mono black decks, and Gifted is just -1 cmc for cutting Flying, which just makes better on curve imo.
Has Nykthos been successful for you? Arena can be sweet with Obliterator out, just doesn't work without an Urborg. I'd probably up the amount of Urborgs to 2, as you don't want to get stuck with a colorless mana source.
(Meta Dependent) Have you tried out Fulminator Mage? It works great against most decks in the format, but is only relevent against decks like Tron or Scaepshift. Phyrexian Crusader can also be a roadblack against decks like Burn. Liliana, the Last Hope is super sweet as a one or two of (in the main, usually replaces 1 for 1 with veil), as she can take apart decks that play Lingering Souls, Young Pyromancer, etc. She can also dig you into more bloodghasts.
February 9, 2017 1:42 p.m.
Interesting deck +1, I'll give my 50 cents.
While I think it is an interesting concept, I don't think Ancient Stirrings counts towards the actual card draw that GB builds need to survive in the current meta, as unlike Bant Eldrazi your deck isn't overloaded with creatures, and it seems that a lot of the time, Ancient Stirrings simply gets you a land in hand and skips over all the sweet discard and revmoval you would be drawing.
Ratchet Bomb, while I suspect this deck is to beat out decks like Zoo, burn, and death's shadow, I think it is more of a sideboard card for this deck, (as unlike Engineered Explosives you can't just wrath a bunch of 1 or 2 drops when you put it down. maybe just play it instead? Still fulfills the same utility you stated earlier.) I'd honestly consider putting Spellskite or Matter Reshaper somewhere in the main.
In the sideboard, Naturalize should be Krosan Grip, if something need to be destroyed, make sure it actually gets there.
I think the removal sweet is fine, Hero's downfall seems over costed given that you already run Maelstrom Pulse (I get that it's a sorcery, but the utlility goes much further)
Are 4 Relics that necessary? Wouldn't 2-3 do the job? If you do run 4 why not run Eternal Scourge?
Since you can't run counters like Bant Eldrazi, why not playing Warping Wail somewhere in the sideboard, as currently this list is very sensative to wraths.
The deck is sensitive to wraths, I'd suggest running a couple Treetop Village, as Jund has a similar problem.
February 7, 2017 1:15 a.m.
+1 for the cool idea, here's my suggestions/thoughts.
You are a combo deck, first and foremost, and basically every combo deck that has ever existed in Magic is weak to discard, which means you basically need to have a playset of Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard, I know that doesn't seem so hot with the Glittering Wish plan, but that's pretty much the only way you'll be able to face decks like Jund and Abzan, and possibly be able to hold off some of burn. Otherwise these decks can and will tear you apart. Phyrexian Unlife is what Ad Nausseum does to try and help that, I don't think it'll be very useful here, but it is an idea.
Needs Counters: I can see that you have put down Swan Song in the maybeboard, and although I get why you don't really want it in the main, you really do need at least 2 of them. My reasoning for this is because while scepter is a great artifact that can lead to awesome combos, it dies to virtually everything in the format, ex. Abrupt Decay, Spell Snare, Maelstrom Pulse. The other choice is go away from the "I can counter their stuff", to simply playing Welding Jar which is what the Thopter Foundry decks do because their combo is just as disruptable.
Chalice issues, Chalice is a magic card that makes modern healthy, the only way you can beat a chalice on 1 or 2 is by either countering it or playing the Krosan Grips that you already are doing. Any deck that runs chalice, ex. Eldrazi Tron, Free Win Red, is likely just a bad matchup, thankfully, Modern's rock paper scissors style keeps every deck in place.
If you feel the mana base is too punchy, the only way you can solve that issue is by dropping red and playing Bant, as you lose a lot of consistency once you hit 4 color since you aren't a tribal deck that could just run cavern or Ancient ziggurat. I know that doesn't really help, but it's likely the only way you can achieve that end.
February 6, 2017 12:31 p.m.
HerculesMorse Thanks for the Upvote!
The reason why I did not put Boros Elite in the deck is because I wanted almost every creature in the deck to have 2 or more power, as having played burn I know that makes a huge difference. I can definitely see Brave the Elements seeing play over a couple path and alliance in the sideboard, so I'll put it on the description.
February 6, 2017 11:48 a.m.
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