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Yeah I was thinking if there were different janky things that could be done with Inverter of Truth or Paradigm Shift with the shell of this deck. Then I thought, wait, Eternal Scourge + Food Chain Bitter Ordeal + Sidisi, Brood Tyrant in conjunction with having Gaea's Blessing in your Graveyard is an indefinite/infinite mill combo, since your casting Sidisi "infinitely" each time you hit Gaea's Blessing it shuffles you're entire graveyard, including itself back into your library allowing you to do it to the desired amount racking up the "Gravestorm" count on Bitter Ordeal to one's desire, given you hard tutored for Bitter Ordeal, and haven't drawn Gaea's Blessing.
However you did mention the potential variance of drawing Gaea's Blessing which would slow/hinder the Bitter Ordeal combo down. If one wanted to lean more towards this combo within the shell of this deck, all you have to do is add redundancy at that point. Along with Gaea's Blessing you could also throw in the deck Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and Emrakul, the Aeons Torn to increase your probability of not drawing out the ability to reshuffle your graveyard into your library, which is obviously part of the main engine for Bitter Ordeal. I think I'm going to basically use the shell of your deck, in essence but going to use the Bitter Ordeal combo so I don't feel like I'm completely deck teching.
I feel the Bitter Ordeal combo is a bit slower, and takes a bit more time to set up. If I were to focus mostly on this combo, I would have to follow your Storm Wincon template. I think the best way to set it up is also hard tutoring for Bitter Ordeal If we don't hard tutor for Bitter Ordeal we can just aim to begin milling ourselves immediately, at this point I would only want say, Gaea's Blessing in the library with no Eldrazi's, because we hope to mill ourselves into Dread Return along with Bitter Ordeal + Eternal Witness in the graveyard, otherwise we're sitting here playing the shuffle/mill game for each time we hit Gaea's Blessing UNTIL we hit Dread Return WITH Bitter Ordeal + Eternal Witness in the graveyard bringing back Eternal to fetch Bitter.
In conclusion if I were to go Bitter Ordeal combo, the more practical way to do it would be to also tutor out Bitter putting it in hand, along with something that allows you to discard a card incase you drew into, or started with Gaea's Blessing in hand. I really want to emphasize on this combo using your deck as a shell, which would probably result in tweaking the deck with some stuff to make Bitter Ordeal the main focus. If one did not hard tutor for Bitter. I could go with Food Chain+Eternal Scourge+Sidisi+Viscera Seer+A sac outlet on board. Milling a bunch for each time we hit Gaea's Blessing, creating a lot of tokens. Then start saccing tokes to scry dig until we reach Bitter and want to draw into it. Idk definitely some playing around with the deck for an efficient Bitter Ordeal build, but I feel it's possible?
February 18, 2018 2:20 p.m.
+1 Awesome deck for sure!
I feel like with the Ninjitsu you may want to be able to return more of your Ninjas to your hand with their abilities. In conjunction with Crystal Shard I recommend Echoing Truth + Isochron Scepter this is awesome to bounce more things back, but potentially even better is if your opps. create a lot of pesky tokens, you can clear an entire board of 2/2 zombies etc. with this lil combo. I would also suggest Capsize as well.
February 17, 2018 10:12 a.m.
I was also considering making a combo that worked with Bitter Ordeal + Gaea's Blessing in conjunction with Food Chain and Sidisi as the exile, create infinite mana casting her over and over indefinitely milling oneself until you hit gaea's blessing to the desired amount, then cast Bitter Ordeal to mill/exile out your opps. and nab your own gaea's blessing for any other added measure of shenanigans that gaea's blessing may disrupt.
February 16, 2018 5:13 p.m.
Tbh I've been studying this a bit. And wanted to make a combo similar to what you have, but I was also thinking that Paradigm Shift and Inverter of Truth for redundancy may good includes paired with the whole Doomsday LabMan idea. What are your thoughts on those cards?
February 16, 2018 4:31 p.m.
I saw Rubinia was included in the Derevi deck, and thought to myself this looks like a fun steal/control card. Then people starting rattling off how you can just blink stolen creatures to keep them indefinitely, and thought wow, how sinister and fun.
However my question is this, if you take something with Rubinia, and blink it so it's yours for the remainder of the game, if that creature is killed/destroyed does that creature still go to it's "original-original" owners library, or would it then go to "your" library at this point?, I'm assuming it goes to theirs which is why you Proteus Staff it?
Is Sylvan Primordial still banned, or did it get unbanned?
I would think it would be worth running Illusionist's Bracers, along with Rings of Brighthearth and Strionic Resonator.
What about Roon of the Hiddenrealm, Galepowder Mage, Voidstone Gargoyle, Stonehorn Dignitary, Vendillion Clique maybe?
February 8, 2018 1:59 p.m.
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