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Forkbeard - " I took a quick look at your build, and I must recommend that you include some Fetchlands. They help when in a pinch if you find that your deck efforts aren't going to yield anything." what I meant to say was "They help when in a pinch if you find that your TOP deck efforts aren't going to yield anything." If you're going for a budget build, I definitely recommend the Mirage Fetchlands
July 14, 2019 6:57 p.m.
Glad to see that there are other players who also lament the rules committee's (poorly thought out - in my opinion) decision to ban Paradox Engine . If you agree, then why not sign the Change.org Petition to formally and respectfully voice your criticism?
Tecstasy: "I don't agree with the banning It sucks for slivers but practically neutered Karn. Well with paradox gone for now I went for the steal your stuff with Unnatural Selection" - Interesting...but which Karn are you referring to? Because if you're talking about Creator Karn , then I beg to differ. The Rules committee yet again missed another "ubiquitous" combo that in my opinion should fit within their new philosophy: Karn, the Great Creator + Mycosynth Lattice = None of your opponents can play magic anymore. This combo has circulated in multiple decks in my meta. The best part is that this combo really depends on who controls Creator Karn - so if an opponent drops a Lattice they could be unwittingly crippling the whole table and themselves. Again, I don't know which Karn you're speaking of, but at the very least one of them is still allowed to run around unchecked.
Doombeard1984: "Hi man. Just a wonder, with The First Sliver what about Congregation at Dawn could tutor up 3 creatures to cascade just an idea." - I like the idea of Congregation , unfortunately it has to be cast with First out on the battlefield already, and ideally a 5-drop on deck for casting in order to really take advantage of the 1-2-3 creature cascade drop.
Forkbeard: " For funsies I've decided to temporarily revert to my win-more sliver noob ways and am putting in Unnatural Selection for now." - I used to have Selection slotted in, but I found it to be useful in only maybe one scenario where Sliver Overlord isn't present, and that's against Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow . "Question for you regarding The First Sliver - In your experience have you cascaded into a fizzled removal/counterspell very often or do you find your topdeck manipulation suite to be sufficient in that regard?" Have I cascaded into a fizzled removal/counterspell? Well...yes. However there's a wonderful thing about Cascade - there's a may clause. That wording is: " You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren't cast on the bottom of your library in a random order." So while I have cascaded into fizzled spells, they haven't had any real negative impact outside of that spell being exiled. I'm satisfied with the amount of topdeck manipulation that's already in the deck. I took a quick look at your build, and I must recommend that you include some Fetchlands. They help when in a pinch if you find that your deck efforts aren't going to yield anything.
July 14, 2019 5:50 p.m.
Oh, and I forgot to explain my reasoning behind Worldly Tutor - while again, it's only temporary, Tutor is meant to enable the deck's 3rd "Hidden" commander: The First Sliver . A fun play would be to cast Tutor placing a Sliver of my choice (cmc 4 or less) on top of my library, then I cast First . First 's cascade trigger then places down said previously mentioned Sliver on the board. Yeah, that's about it. Nothin' fancy. Thoughts?
July 12, 2019 12:50 p.m.
Hey all, thanks for the comments on the page. Sorry for taking a little while to get to you. I'll address each of your comments in bullet points:
abierto - thanks for the compliment! No. Not going to switch to Intruder Alarm . Something about it just rubs me the wrong way, and besides I know that Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is roaming about in my meta - that is a card I don't want to unwittingly enable.
_Delta_ - I won't call Worldly Tutor a replacement, only a temporary stand in. I think the rules committee are wrong, plain and simple. Besides, with their history they have a weird habit of just unbanning ridiculous cards. It's likely they'll just unban Paradox Engine on a whim...just like Painter's Servant or Protean Hulk .
Fellin22 - Sensei's Divining Top ? It's okay - there are plenty of decks that don't really care about top deck manipulation. Additionally, it's not super disruptive to play. Iona is a definitely a problem though - she's Leovold, Emissary of Trest level annoying. Now that is a proper ban.
Nephs - I have to disagree with you on that one. Paradox Engine was hardly an "auto-include" or an "auto win" because you have to build your deck and boardstate around Engine just enough to make it truly work on a consistent basis. With multiple mana-rocks, sure you can flood a board state and maybe dump your hand, but what are you going to use to tutor/draw more cards? I guess what i'm trying to say is that in order for Paradox Engine to win you the game, you need to assemble something of a Rube Goldberg Machine to get it working. I will agree to the point that it can help accelerate a player's boardstate - but without the right pieces in play...it only serves as a big target that can only help you so much. Again - I disagree with your logic.
July 12, 2019 12:33 p.m. Edited.
How has The First Sliver performed? My concern is that it would cascade into something I'd rather not cast at the moment.
When you cast a spell with Cascade, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose converted mana cost is less than the spell's converted mana cost. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren't cast on the bottom of your library in a random order. - source
Before First was even printed, my deck was pretty much designed to incorporate it. Top deck manipulation is an important theme in this deck, and therefore I can set up multiple castings during my upkeep or at a moments notice depending on what I have on board. Ad Nauseam effects wouldn't hurt to include, but I think there are better options. Worldly Tutor and Enlightened Tutor are must haves if you are running First , in my opinion. Scroll Rack can set you up for some really great plays if you have in hand what you want to Cascade onto the field - like a Mana Echoes for example.
Durdle Time - yeah...I too am concerned about that. What I try to do is consolidate library shufflings and searching into just one instance. For example: Turn 1, I play a Polluted Delta . I tell my playgroup that I am going to crack it for an Underground Sea and play Vampiric Tutor . I put the tutor into my graveyard, while making the motion on the board that I have tapped the Sea . Once I do that, I pass turn get my cards, shuffle my library and double check to make sure my boardstate is legal. My playgroups appreciate this, and when someone stops to scrutinize or ask questions I welcome it - because I could have easily made a mistake. So yeah, try and consolidate shuffling/interactions with your library into one event - but always check with your playgroup first if that is okay.
July 4, 2019 5:21 p.m.
I should've price checked Mox Opal - that was a goof on my part. Just uh...ignore that suggestion.
June 30, 2019 9:53 p.m.
Sorry for taking a bit to respond. Thanks for the words of praise, this deck is my favorite and i'm glad other folks have a positive opinion of the build. In terms of budget, I can definitely understand that some cards seem just pointlessly expensive. Here are some suggestions i'd offer for each of the previously mentioned cards:
- Mana Drain : This one's a bit tricky, as there aren't many counters that offer ramp as well. This is entirely dependent on your meta, but if you're playing in a more casual group you could use: Plasm Capture , Arcane Denial , Mana Leak , or Split Decision . If you're going for something more competitive that'd narrow the list to maybe Force of Negation . I'm sorry if that last one was a bit pricey.
- Wheel of Fortune : Windfall . Unless you want to stick to red, then i'd go with Reforge the Soul .
- Mox Diamond : There are a number of different directions you could go with here - i'd likely pick one of the Talismans printed in Modern Horizons or Mirrodin. Additionally, there are alternative "Balanced" Moxes like Mox Tantalite or Mox Opal that are affordable.
- Mana Crypt : The first thing that came to mind was Prismatic Geoscope - even though they don't exactly compare 1 for 1. Other than that I can't think of any alternate mana rocks that would really fit in this slot.
Onward to the alternatives:
- Green Sun's Zenith : A solid inclusion for a tutor. A possible alternative would be Finale of Devastation as this can also tutor your graveyard and pump your board for an alternate wincon.
- Worldly Tutor : If you aren't running The First Sliver then I'd suggest you leave this one out. Just run Eladamri's Call .
- Armageddon :Excellent soft lock card for the "alternate win" strategy using a Mana Dork . A solid inclusion.
I think you have some great card choices there. Leave a link to your deck so I can give it some Chitinous Blessings. Thanks for commenting on the page!
June 30, 2019 9:47 p.m. Edited.
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