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I would argue that in Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker, Sword of Fire and Ice as well as Sword of Body and Mind are mandatory includes, while Sword of Feast and Famine would be nice it's not as necessary as he other 2. The others are not really relevant.

February 23, 2017 10:15 a.m.

@00xtremeninja: I agree with Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker being a great mill general. I just do not like the fact that it is almost required that you run swords with him. This just makes him less accessible to most players, however if you have the income he is great.

February 23, 2017 8:46 a.m.

One more change, make Mirrorwing Dragon -> Hellkite Igniter. I think that will be much more useful with the amount of artifacts you have.

February 22, 2017 3:18 p.m.

I guess a third option would be mill with one of the only viable mill generals, Phenax, God of Deception. However, this strategy gets hosed pretty hard if anyone in your playgroup plays one of the original zendikar Eldrazi titans.

February 22, 2017 1:31 p.m.

I've debated this question myself. I feel like EDH win-cons almost always boil down to combo, Eldrazi titans, voltron, or lockdown. It definitely gets boring after a while. It's really difficult to win and just play the "value creature" game like you would in a 60 card format. That being said, after mulling over this for a bit I thought of two options:

  1. Play a Birthing Pod or Salvaging Station-centered deck. This allows you to out value the other players who are playing generic "value creature" decks through sheer card advantage.

  2. Play a strong general like Kaalia of the Vast except eliminate the things that make her broken like the MLD and the Hellcarver Demon + Doomsday combo. Replace these things with cards that simply hinder your opponents but don't lock them out (I.e. Blood Moon, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Ethersworn Canonist, etc.)

Hope that helps!

February 22, 2017 1:25 p.m.
February 22, 2017 12:54 p.m.

Sorry for the change but swap the suggestion for Pia and Kiran Nalaar to Hedron Archive and change Wrangle -> MindStone. This still keeps you under $30 at $29.93.

February 22, 2017 12:25 p.m.

As is, this deck is not commander legal. All cards in the deck cannot have any other colors besides red anywhere on the card. This means cards like Merchant's Dockhand and Dukhara Peafowl need to be removed because they have a blue mana symbol in their activation cost.

That aside if this is just a casual deck, I'm not sure what kind of advice you are looking for. There is no real need to optimize the deck if your just looking to have fun with friends.

However if you still would like to optimize the deck it would be helpful for commenters if you answered these questions:

  1. What is your budget?
  2. What is the most you are willing to spend on a single card?
  3. Tell me a little bit more about your meta or the playgroup you are planning to cater towards.
  4. Are there any cards in the deck that you do not want removed for thematic purposes or personal adoration?
February 21, 2017 1:14 p.m.

It seems the consensus is that they are good for casual, but anything beyond that they are not worth it. Although, I wouldn't call my meta super competitive I think you guys have convinced me to pass on the temples for now.

February 19, 2017 8:46 p.m.

@Postmortal_Pop: Very good point! The lands are good early or late game but very bad if you draw them mid game during your key stabilization turns.

February 19, 2017 11:38 a.m.

Darn! I was trying to dodge the typical "it's meta dependent" answer by saying your experiences, but it still happened lol.

Regardless, to give context my deck is an optimized tier 3 deck in the form of Sigarda, Host of Herons. The meta I play in, for the most part is on par with me.

February 19, 2017 11:26 a.m.

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Thanks!

February 19, 2017 11:09 a.m.

So I'm wondering what the general consensus is on these lands in EDH, the Temples that is (such as Temple of Enlightenment, Temple of Plenty, and etc.). Have you found the scrying to be worth it or was the ETB tapped to be too detrimental? Tell me your opinions/experiences with them.

Thanks!

February 19, 2017 11:08 a.m.

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