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cimo7 Most of it was probably the fact that I didn't draw the necessary counters to start to shut down the deck. First game, the other guy had Lotleth Giant out on Turn 4 (4 lands and three mana-dorks). Didn't help the first four turns he'd also been filling his yard with creatures thanks to Glowspore Shamans coming into play.
October 17, 2018 2:11 p.m.
October 16, 2018 2:58 p.m.
Have you considered going a little heavier in the Undergrowth mechanic? I'm running Abusive Surveillance, Volume One as my current Standard set-up and that's one of the decks that I really struggle to get a footing against, especially with cards like Izoni, Thousand-Eyed and Lotleth Giant. They really actually kill control with that mechanic.
October 16, 2018 2:54 p.m.
Thanks Neberus, normally I'd run about 4 more lands in a standard build, but with this one I found that I was hitting lands way more than I needed (to the point it was slowing me down) so it got cut to 24 in an earlier build then down to 22 and I've found that's about where I want it to be. And with Surveil, I can do a little reordering of the draw line up, so it helps.
Hopefully xhuggels, it ends up that the control enhances the mill. Blue counterspell? Mill. Blue creature? Mill. Another Drowned Secrets? Mill.
October 16, 2018 2:36 p.m.
xhuggels the idea for the "mill-surveil-control" version would be to get out four Enhanced Surveillance ASAP so you can churn out as many Creeping Chill as you can at the same time, like when Dream Eater enters play. Keep chucking the Creeping Chills to the bottom of each surveil trigger so you never draw them, draw and get Dream Eater's Surveil 4, which then, with four "surveil an additional two" triggers from Enhanced Surveillance, I'm smacking an opponent for 12 life, which if I've been chipping away with an ever-growing and counter-protected Spybug, can be fatal. Add to that the fact that I've been milling up to 8 cards off their library with each blue spell because of Drowned Secrets. By the time Dream Eater comes out, that effectively ends the game right there if it's not over sooner. I'll be putting up a "Volume Two" as the "mill-surveil-control" version of this sometime in the next two weeks as well.
Thanks Oldschool930! I like to write descriptions for the decks I really get into and this is one of them, glad you enjoyed it!
October 16, 2018 3:09 a.m.
xhuggels noncents There was a previous version of this deck that existed with four Vicious Rumors, though I forget exactly what I replaced it with. The plan at that time was to draw either that or Thoughtbound Phantasm and the relevant land source and always have a turn-one play. I am now, however, toying around in my head with a "mono-blue" surveil-mill-control featuring Dream Eater as the "big guy in the room" and Enhanced Surveillance with Drowned Secrets. Mono-blue is in quotes, primarily because I am also considering keeping a set of Creeping Chill in the deck, without mana, or minimal black sources (shock or checklands). Use the Enhanced Surveillances to dig through my deck faster, looking for counters and the Creeping Chills, and then use Devious Cover-Up to start chucking things into back into the deck.
October 15, 2018 2:56 p.m.
Gee, this looks familiar! Haha the only suggestion I have is that I'm finding that Blood Operative is less than useful sometimes, so I might change that to Nightveil Predator. One more mana for a flying hexproof deathtoucher, the obvious downside being that its mana is very specific.
October 14, 2018 1:43 a.m.
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October 13, 2018 9:08 p.m.
Yeah, it's great with Doom Whisperer. Even if I end up losing the Whisperer, Lazav becoming it works out well. I am finding that Blood Operative is not working as well as I'd hoped, not a lot of people are scared of a 3/1 with Lifelink. What may go back into the deck are the Nightveil Predators, because people are legitimately scared of a 3/3 hexproof flyer with deathtouch. Also considering, though not as seriously, House Guildmage for the mana-for-surveil, though if Phyrexian mana is any indication of the value of life versus mana, it's more expensive than Doom Whisperer.
October 13, 2018 5:48 p.m.
Many thanks noncents! I'm about to head out the door myself to play it as well!
October 13, 2018 11:47 a.m.
noncents it could, but to me it seems more like a more mana-expensive Unexplained Disappearance that surveils more. Now, tie that into a deck that's got Enhanced Surveillance in it with things that have effects similar to Creeping Chill in that you can mill-exile them, sure. Maybe throw in some Drowned Secrets to mill out your opponent and you might get somewhere that way. The only creature that I've got in here that's an ETB Surveil is Lazav, and he's more likely a fall-back plan because if I've lost a Doom Whisperer something has gone wrong. That being said, shapeshifting him into a Doom Whisperer has a benefit, it makes a Doom Whisperer that is immune to Cast Down.
xhuggels, absolutely, its more of a "I need some spare life here" kind of card. More often than not, its because I lean on the black mana view of life being an expendable resource if I need it to be, especially with the Surveil-Creeping Chill combo I have in here.
October 13, 2018 4:09 a.m.
And yes, I meant Esper Teferi Control, not my misspelling.
October 13, 2018 2:56 a.m.
Yeah ShiningSpear, it's turned into a workhorse, even in decks I didn't expect it to see play in but now that I've seen it, its a very popular card. I've seen Izzet Thousand-Year Storm/Ral play it, I saw an Esper Terefi Control play it as quasi-top-deck manipulation, it's extremely well used. I am gonna try and replace the versions of it and Thought Erasure I have in here with the FNM Promo versions just because they look cool.
Honestly xhuggels, I haven't even had the chance to use it at all as most of my games are over before I even see it, so I haven't had a chance to see how that runs.
October 13, 2018 2:46 a.m.
Thanks Jimmy_Chinchila! It has been added now, I was able to trade for one and bought two after FNM. And I know I'm at 64 cards, the extra four are the Creeping Chills that are meant to be surveil-milled.
October 13, 2018 1:06 a.m.
ShiningSpear, I love Thief of Sanity. I think the effect is awesome and the art is abjectly terrifyingly awesome but it doesn't fit what I want to do with this deck. I am definitely considering a Field of Ruin though.
October 12, 2018 3:05 a.m.
Alright -Arcanity-, here's the deal: Unmoored Ego is in the sideboard to deal with A)big annoying combos that I don't want to have to deal with or B)shenanigans that can't be countered and/or can't be nuked, see Carnage Tyrant. It is there to deal with things that can cause me problems, however, since not all decks cause me problems and I'm able to run them over before they're really going it's not in the mainboard. It is there as a roadblock to whatever their primary plan is and force them to shift plans, while mine goes on, relatively undisrupted because by the time I have to cast Unmoored Ego, I'm already rolling and I'm keeping them from disrupting my game plan. Alternatively, as I've said both here in the comments and in the description, I can tear lands out of a mana-intensive deck, which gives me an advantage.
This deck is by no means meant as a Tier 1 Standard deck, I have neither the money nor the patience for that. It is meant as a fun deck that abuses a mechanic to the nth degree and still wins games. You're entitled to your opinion about it, but at the end of the day it's just your opinion. But what do I know, I've only been in since Odyssey.
Archiving prior comments.
October 11, 2018 3:38 a.m.
-Arcanity- couldn't agree more that Doom Whisperer will be great in here, unfortunately I haven't been able to trade for one and buying three to replace Nightveil Predator is rather expensive. Thing is though, I've Turn 5'd people with this thing with only 4 mana on board, so right now it's running fantastic. That being said, they will be added once I acquire them.
DragonKing90 exactly how it's meant here. I can absolutely main board it if I wanted to, but that would lean more towards a "cruel control" version of this deck as I would target lands and mana screw them early on.
October 8, 2018 1:27 a.m.
-Arcanity- As for the CMC, I feel like that is skewed upwards by the deck builder counting Discovery/Dispersal as an 8 mana card. Unexplained Disappearance is going to get cut in favor of Price of Fame eventually, but a soft bounce has worked well so far. And this one is built completely around Surveil, if a spell doesn't surveil or receive a benefit from, it's not getting played.
Skyler1776 It's sided mostly because I don't plan on games going long enough for me to benefit from that, though I did want it available if I absolutely need it to close out later games. Additionally, Lazav needs target creatures in the yard in order for his ability to be used. Azcanta is definitely going to be considered though, even though I had originally planned this to be entirely in GRN in order to get as much continuous playability out of it, unaffected by rotation.
October 7, 2018 4:59 p.m.
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