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Madmatt222 Mostly for completion's sake actually. Sadly with the banning of Leovold, BUG DD isn't really a thing right now, but you will see some 4 color commanders in green. Generally green cards are not often piled, but Noxious Revival runs around from time to time, mostly as disruption rather than a piling card. I have added Regrowth as a potential piling card as well for people to play with now.
It's also there just to help people remember that fetchland piles are a thing, too.
But you're right, green probably is piled the least of the colors.
August 13, 2017 9:24 a.m.
So I think a big thing that Jeleva does which Kess doesn't is actually get you somewhere from nothing.
The whole idea that "I just exile 3 lands and some creatures" is a worst case scenario which is an unfair assessment. Similar to Kess there will be synergistic scenarios and those which are awful.
The deck does not need either Jeleva or Kess to function well. In fact, I think this is likely the best reason to play Jeleva, as when the deck can't do anything any more, Jeleva seeing 16 cards is really darn strong. Kess also only nets you 1 card per turn too. It's even better when Jellybean exiles an opponent's Doomsday.
The Jeleva placeholder argument is not a reason to immediately switch to Kess because it assumes Jeleva was a placeholder in the first place. You generally want to play the best general for a deck, so by some of the logic here there are no placeholders since you are playing the best general for your deck. Like it was said, no one actually plays Oloro DD. No one plays Mishra storm either for Grixis. The argument that Jeleva is fodder because she isn't somehow the best general for Grixis storm is pointless to use.
Instead, evaluate what they do by card quality. You are using a specific general for a reason.
- Casts for free
- Steals from opponents
- Highest potential for complete turnarounds and plays from horrible board states
- Excellent early game play to bait out a turn later Naus or steal other storm players' cards
- High raw card advantage
- High synergy with current cards in the list
- Lets you play a longer, grindier game by allowing for more hand sculpting
- Decent value play on her own
- Floating Wizard Girl
- Blind searching/digging
- Requires combat
- Less synergy with storm lists
- Requires you to actually have something to add resilience, poor at coming back from nothing
- Softer to graveyard hate
- Less of an early game aggressive presence
- Weaker into the storm mirror
I think this for the most part covers pros and cons of each commander. To be honest, they will both be terrifying combo generals. Jeleva always has been and always will. Kess will easily earn her place as a tier 1 Grixis storm/combo commander. But really though I want to get people off the mentality that the commander doesn't matter or something. It's an important part of the strategy.
August 12, 2017 12:39 p.m.
The whole placeholder thing is an idea that has to be dropped. The commander is a really important part of the deck. If the commander was not really a large factor in deck power, then we'd have Oloro Doomsday considered to be virtually as powerful as Zur. Or another random Grixis commander instead of Jeleva.
But that's not at all what happens in game. Jeleva is a solid gameplan and gets exponentially better when other players are on storm or fast combo. Kess is very solid as well, we will likely see her spearhead a great storm list. Jeleva digs, which when life sucks is really stupid good. Kess is very consistent provided you aren't stripped of playables. Kess has more easy mode plays and consistent storm lines, and Jeleva is what you want when you have been burned hard. Jeleva is also significantly better into the storm mirror.
One shouldn't replace another. They will both be good. But saying Jeleva is a placeholder is not at all what Jeleva does for the deck. Slamming Jeleva is a good play.
Our new girl Kess is bae. Jellybean is still a quality girl.
August 12, 2017 10:55 a.m.
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