When a Bearer of the Heavens dies, does Marchesa and her friends come back?

Asked by TowelGuy 7 years ago

So I was with some friends in an EDH game (in turn order the decks were a Marchesa's deck, a Giants tribal deck and a Blue deck) when this situation arrives.

Giants has a Bearer of the Heavens in play, I have Marchesa, the Black Rose with a +1/+1 counter plus some creatures also with counters. It's the Blue player turn and he plays a Nevinyrral's Disk, untaps it in some way and use it's ability destroying everything, Marchesa's triggered resolving normaly.

So now we start ending phase and both Berarer's and Marchesa's abilities goes to the stack, if next turn correspond to Marchesa's player do the abilities go to the stack in a way that Marchesa and friends return to an empty table?

hyperlocke says... Accepted answer #1

It depends on the turn order. Both the Bearer and Marchesa create delayed triggered abilities that trigger at the beginning of the end step. If multiple abilities trigger at the same time under the control of different players, they go onto the stack in APNAP (Active Player, Non-Active Player) order. If there are multiple non-active players, their triggers are put onto the stack in turn order.

Scenario 1: Next turn will be Marchesa's.
Marchesa's triggers go onto the stack, then the Giant's trigger is put on top. It resolves first, destroying all permanents, then Marchesa and your other creatures return to the battlefield.

Scenario 2: Next turn is the Giant's.
The Bearer's ability goes onto the stack, Marchesa's on top of it. You return your creatures, the Giant destroys everything, including your creatures.

603.3b If multiple abilities have triggered since the last time a player received priority, each player, in APNAP order, puts triggered abilities he or she controls on the stack in any order he or she chooses. (See rule 101.4.) Then the game once again checks for and resolves state-based actions until none are performed, then abilities that triggered during this process go on the stack. This process repeats until no new state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the appropriate player gets priority.

101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active players left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order rule.

April 11, 2016 12:15 p.m.

hyperlocke says... #2

Ah, and as I was reading the question again, I saw that you gave the turn order. As Marchesa is the next to take a turn, Scenario 1 will happen.

April 11, 2016 12:17 p.m.

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