What is wrong with O-ring?
Asked by Death_The_Kid 9 years ago
I keep hearing talk how Banishing Light is a better Oblivion Ring because O-ring has a loop hole? I...I dont get it I dont see a loop hole or whats wrong. I see the words are differant but I dont see how they dont work the same. If someone could post a combo/ explain the difference that would be great thanks.
Death_The_Kid says... #2
Okay that makes a lot of sense. Can you show me specific combo with O ring?
October 11, 2014 3:46 a.m.
Stone_Munkee says... #3
I'm not entirely sure how the Oblivion Ring one works, but the Fiend Hunter which is essentiall the same thing as an Oblivion Ring but on a beater and only targets creatures. Let's say you have a Cartel Aristocrat in play, and you play Fiend Hunter targeting whatever the opponent has, let's say a Huntmaster of the Fells Flip , before the Fiend Hunter ETB trigger resolves, you sacrifice the Fiend Hunter to the Cartel Aristocrat adding the LTB trigger to the top of the stack where it resolves first, then the ETB will resolves, thus permanantly exiling your opponents Huntmaster of the Fells Flip . I assume the Oblivion Ring works the same way as it reads similarily, so if you have something like Erase or Ray of Revelation etc. you can do it. I'm fairly certain that's how it works but I could be wrong, I am human.
October 11, 2014 4:19 a.m.
Death_The_Kid says... #4
hmmm well since this fits I am gonna ask also this if my opponent plays Brain Maggot but before I let him pick and exile a card from my hand I kill it with lets say Magma Spray what happens exactly?
October 11, 2014 4:36 a.m.
Stone_Munkee says... #5
His Brain Maggot trigger will still resolve and he'll get to see your hand and pick a card etc.epochalyptic will know better on that one. I'm sure its the exact same as Banishing Light but on a creature. So the effects will still go off etc. You should still get your card back TL;DR
October 11, 2014 4:43 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #6
As I said, when an effect with an invalid duration would be applied, it isn't. In this case, Brain Maggot 's ability will resolve (remember that a spell or ability can only fizzle if its targets are all illegal; the status of the source is irrelevant), and the targeted player will reveal his or her hand. You technically do choose a card, but that card is not exiled because the duration of the exile effect is invalid (the effect has already ended).
From Brain Maggot
's Gatherer rulings:
4/26/2014: If Brain Maggot leaves the battlefield before its enters-the-battlefield ability resolves, the opponent will reveal his or her hand, but no card will be exiled.
And there is no one specific combo with Oblivion Ring . As long as you get Oblivion Ring 's LTB ability to trigger before its ETB ability resolves, you will indefinitely exile the ETB ability's target. You could do this by Nature's Claim ing Oblivion Ring , Boomerang ing it, or using any number of other cards.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
Arguably, Banishing Light is a worse Oblivion Ring because it lacks the loophole, but this isn't the forum for discussion.
Oblivion Ring and Banishing Light work on very different principles.
Oblivion Ring has both an ETB (enters the battlefield) ability and an LTB (leaves the battlefield) ability. The LTB ability is linked to the ETB ability. Under normal circumstances, Oblivion Ring will ETB, the ETB ability will trigger and resolve, and the target will be exiled. Later, Oblivion Ring might leave the battlefield, at which point the LTB ability would trigger and resolve, returning the exiled card to the battlefield.
Banishing Light has only an ETB ability. The ETB ability both exiles the target and defines a duration for the exile effect. The exile effect ends immediately when Banishing Light enters the battlefield--no triggered ability is involved in returning the exiled card to the battlefield.
The difference is significant because with Oblivion Ring , if you can get the LTB ability to trigger and resolve before the ETB ability exiles the target, the link between the ETB and LTB abilities is effectively broken. The only thing that can return the target once it is exiled by the ETB ability is the LTB ability. With that ability gone before the target is exiled, nothing can bring the exiled card back. Using this trick, you can exile the target indefinitely.
Banishing Light has no such loophole because it uses a single triggered ability to define an effect with a duration. If Banishing Light leaves the battlefield before the ETB ability resolves, then the duration is invalid and the target isn't even exiled at all.
October 11, 2014 3:34 a.m.