What happens to cards that are suspended if you play a card with epic?

Asked by ferretersmith 9 years ago

Will they still resolve when their last time counters are removed? Will they remain suspended? Will it be countered?

Here are some cards with reminder text Eternal Dominion Deep-Sea Kraken

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1

Neither. You won't cast them, and they will remain in exile with zero time counters on them. They will no longer be suspended.

Epic states that you can't cast spells for the rest of the game, and suspend states that you cast the spell when the last time counter is removed. Because you can't cast spells (thanks to epic), you can't cast suspended cards.

August 21, 2014 5:24 p.m.

ferretersmith says... #2

That's what I thought and what I meant by remain suspended.

August 21, 2014 5:28 p.m.

Named_Tawyny says... #3

So the distinction between 'play spells' and 'cast spells' is nil for the purposes of Epic?

August 21, 2014 6:05 p.m.

ferretersmith says... #4

I think there is only a distinction when a card says "put so n so into play" otherwise the spell is cast.

August 21, 2014 6:10 p.m.

ferretersmith says... #5

Found the ruling.601.1. Previously, the action of casting a spell, or casting a card as a spell, was referred to on cards as "playing" that spell or that card. Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference so they now refer to "casting" that spell or that card.

August 21, 2014 6:13 p.m.

ferretersmith says... #6

Found the ruling.

601.1. Previously, the action of casting a spell, or casting a card as a spell, was referred to on cards as "playing" that spell or that card. Cards that were printed with that text have received errata in the Oracle card reference so they now refer to "casting" that spell or that card.

August 21, 2014 6:14 p.m.

erabel says... #7

The distinction between "play" and "cast" doesn't really exist anymore. Back in the day, Wizards used "play" for everything (even activated abilities). Then they used "cast" on certain other abilities (like Storm). Then they opted to just use "cast" for everything, with some exceptions. "Play" is really only used for playing lands, and on cards like Nightveil Specter , in which case it is defined by the rules as "Play if it's a land card and cast if it's a nonland card."

August 21, 2014 6:17 p.m.