Thing in the ice questions
Asked by Ej1997 7 years ago
Ok so does anyone know specifically if casting a copied spells causes Thing in the Ice Flip to lose counters? Also does it make Docent of Perfection Flip produce counters? Thanks in advance :D
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #2
It depends on the effect.
Most often, when you copy an instant or sorcery, you're copying a spell that's already on the stack. This means the copy is created on the stack and is therefore not cast, so the copy won't trigger on-cast abilities. For example, Reverberate copies a spell, so the copy is created on the stack instead of cast.
However, some effects allow you to copy cards in other zones (usually exile). These effects instruct you to cast the copy because the copy isn't created on the stack. For example, you cast copies made by Isochron Scepter.
July 22, 2016 4:08 p.m.
Copy isn't considered cast, so it would not trigger either unfortunately. Casting for free however, will trigger that ability (e.g. Rebound spells such as Center Soul, or the minus two of Narset Transcendent)
July 22, 2016 4:09 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #5
Gonna have to be the second voice to say that it depends on the effect in question. Copying a spell doesn't count as casting, but some effects let you copy a card in another zone and then cast the copy. Chandra, Pyromaster's minus seven, Elite Arcanist, Isochron Scepter, or Cipher cards like Hands of Binding all would remove counters. A Storm card like Grapeshot removes one counter no matter how many times it is copied. The copy from using Pyromancer's Goggles to cast a red spell doesn't remove any counters. Casting Fork will remove a counter, but the copy of the spell being created on the stack will not.
TL:DR If the thing making the copy says that you "cast" the copies it will trigger on cast abilities. Otherwise it will not.
DrFunk27 says... #1
111.1. A spell is a card on the stack. As the first step of being cast (see rule 601, "Casting Spells"), the card becomes a spell and is moved to the top of the stack from the zone it was in, which is usually its owner's hand. (See rule 405, "Stack.") A spell remains on the stack as a spell until it resolves (see rule 608, "Resolving Spells and Abilities"), is countered (see rule 701.5), or otherwise leaves the stack. For more information, see section 6, "Spells, Abilities, and Effects."111.1a A copy of a spell is also a spell, even if it has no card associated with it. See rule 706.10.111.1b Some effects allow a player to cast a copy of a card; if the player does, that copy is a spell as well. See rule 706.12.
Copies of spells are just placed on the stack, they are never cast. 706.10. To copy a spell or activated ability means to put a copy of it on to the stack; a copy of a spell isn't cast and a copy of an activated ability isn't activated. Cards on the other hand, can be copied and cast.
BOTTOM LINE Copied spells will not reduce counters on Thing in the Ice, or produce 1/1 Wizards from Docent.
July 22, 2016 4:07 p.m.