Simic guildmage
Asked by proterran98 6 years ago
I have a few questions with Simic Guildmage second ability.
Squire is enchanted with Frozen Solid and attacks. He's blocked and is going to be dealt damage. Is there any way for me to have forzen trigger but then move to a different creature to prevent frozen from going to the graveyard with squire?
I'm trying to prevent my aura's being destroyed, so in a similar scenario to question 1, can I use Guilty Conscience?
Mana Chains and Pendrell Flux triggering than moving to a different creature?
Activate Weight of Conscience then move it to another creature?
Lastly, can a creature get dealt 2 damage while enchanted with Illusory Wrappings then moving the illusory wrappings
proterran98 says... #2
Thank you for answering but I'm still confused.
1.Squire with Frozen Solid gets blocked by Eager Cadet. Is it possible for me to move frozen to my opponents Hill Giant but still having squire die from frozen?
2.But if its Glory Seeker blocking squire then I can't move frozen as squire dies with frozen?
3.I have Pendrell Flux on his squire, and as soon as it triggers, I move it to his hill giant. My opponent doesn't pay. Who dies?
Thank you once again.
May 5, 2017 7:57 a.m.
proterran98 says... #3
sorry, lastly
Squire with frozen. I trigger Weight of Conscience and move it to Hill Giant. Who dies?
May 5, 2017 7:59 a.m.
JerichoDarkstar says... #4
Hey proterran98.
(1) Yes, you can move Frozen to Hill Giant before it is destroyed and still have its effect destroy Squire. Here's how you make it happen.
- Squire enchanted with Frozen is blocked and dealt damage by Eager Cadet.
- Frozen's last ability triggers and is put on the stack.
- In response to this trigger, you activate the second ability of Simic Guildmage, choosing to move Frozen to another target: Hill Giant.
- Assuming nobody else does anything, last on the stack resolves first, and Guildmage's effect resolves moving Frozen to its new target, Hill Giant.
- Triggers resolve independently of their source, so Frozen's last effect resolves killing Squire.
(2) If Glory Seeker blocks Squire enchanted with Frozen, you may choose to activate Guildmage's second ability before combat damage and move Frozen. However, if damage is dealt, then it is too late and you can't do this.
(3) I'm not entirely sure on this one, so Epochalyptik please correct me if I'm wrong.
- Flux's trigger is put on the stack during the beginning of the upkeep.
- At this point, you may choose to respond to the trigger and move it with Guildmage's second effect.
- Assuming no one has any other responses, Guildmage resolves first and moves Flux to Hill Giant.
- Flux's trigger resolves independent of its source, and your opponent may either pay Squire's mana cost or sacrifice it because it was the object of the ability when it first triggered.
- Because Flux has already triggered once, it will not trigger again this upkeep on its new target, Hill Giant.
(4) At this point, I think you might be catching on to the pattern.
- You activate Weight of Conscience enchanted to Squire, and its ability is put on to the stack.
- In response, you also activate Guildmage's second ability to move Weight of Conscience to Hill Giant.
- Assuming no one does anything else, last on the stack resolves first, and Guildmage's effect moves Weight of Conscience to Hill Giant.
- Weight of Conscience's effect resolves independent of its source, removing the original target from the game, not the creature it is currently attached to.
Hope that helps!
May 5, 2017 9:07 a.m.
proterran98 says... #5
Thank you all. This was a weird case, and it took me a while, but I think I got it.
May 5, 2017 9:22 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
JerichoDarkstar Except for calling the enchanted creatures "targets", which I assume is a concession to clarity in the English language instead of you actually thinking that they are targets as per magic rules, everything you said was exactly correct. The gist of it is that any ability from an aura will affect the object it was attached to at the time it was activated or triggered even if you move it to a new object before that ability resolves.
May 5, 2017 9:26 a.m.
JerichoDarkstar says... #7
@Gidgetimer Yeah, that is what I meant. I finally picked up the word "object" later because I realized that using "target" was contradictory to the mechanics. Thanks for clarifying because I thought I changed every instance of that, but I guess I missed some :/
May 5, 2017 9:30 a.m.
For Weight of Conscience the ability exiles whatever creature it's enchanting. If you activate it's last ability then move the aura, when the ability resolves it will exile the newly enchanted creature, then be put into the graveyard as a state based action. You cannot use Weight of Conscience to exile multiple creatures unless you return it from the graveyard to the battlefield.
May 5, 2017 2 p.m.
JerichoDarkstar says... #9
Yep. Neotrup is right. Thanks for the catch!
BlueScope says... Accepted answer #1
They key to answering all of the above is understanding state-based actions, or SBAs. They are checked whenever a player would gain priority, and don't use the stack, so you can't respond to them. They are what moves creatures to the graveyard that have lethal damage marked on them, and also what moves auras to the graveyard if they're not attached to a legal permanent.
May 5, 2017 7:19 a.m.