Regeneration Minutiae
Asked by philthVader 8 years ago
Need a layman's interpretation of regeneration's effects on damage dealt by the regenerating creature. A couple of scenarios:
1: If Typhoid Rats is blocked by Stormbreath Dragon and I respond by casting Boon of Erebos, will the rats still deal damage and destroythe dragon before, The next time [permanent] would be destroyed this turn, instead remove all damage marked on it and tap it. If its an attacking or blocking creature, remove it from combat.(701.12a) takes affect?
2: Say i have a creature get hit with a Wild Slash and I respond with an Arcbond and a Boon of Erebos. Does the targeted creature still deal the 2 damage to all creatures and players? Or does the "remove all damage marked on it" clause negate that?
philthVader says... #2
So the removal of marked damage doesn't prevent damage, it removes it if it has reached a level sufficient to trigger the destruction the creature? All combat damage is dealt, but regeneration triggers upon destruction? Same with damage dealt by the creature via Arcbond. The damage dealt to the targeted creature triggers the Arcbond's given ability, which damages all creatures and players, then the damage dealt to the targeted creature resolves and regeneration takes effect? Sorry, just wanna understand this in and out.
April 22, 2015 9:23 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
Regeneration doesn't trigger. It's not a triggered ability. It's a replacement effect. It just applies to the event as it would happen.
Damage prevention is entirely different from regeneration. If you prevent damage, the damage is never dealt. If you regenerate something, you remove the damage marked on that object.
Also, with Arcbond, the damage has to be dealt to the creature first. This will trigger Arcbond's delayed triggered ability, and it will also consume the regeneration shield if the damage is lethal to that creature.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1
1) A creature is destroyed as a state-based action if it has damage marked on it equal to or greater than its toughness. Because creatures deal combat damage simultaneously, Typhoid Rats and Stormbreath Dragon will deal damage to one another, and the regeneration shield will apply during the SBA check, when the creature would normally be destroyed.
2) The ability triggers when damage is dealt to your creature. Arcbond's ability doesn't care at all how much damage is marked on the creature or whether the damage remains on the creature. It only cares about how much damage is dealt to the creature.
April 22, 2015 9:04 p.m.