Regarding Obeka Rulings
Asked by slythr 3 years ago
Hello been a while since i've posted here but had a question, an issue came up in an edh game regarding the interaction between Obeka, Brute Chronologist and Treasure Nabber.
If Obeka's ability is used to end the turn on the turn when nabber's effect ends does obeka's controller keep control of the artifact, or does it go back to the original controller?
is there anyway for obeka's controller controller to keep control of the artifact that was taken due to nabber's effect?
WillowtheCouncil says... #2
slythr, Gidgetimer is correct.
There are two effects to look out for here. Effects that end 'at end of turn' and effects that end at the beginning of an end step.
'end of turn' effect: Act of Treason. If you use Obeka with Act, you still give the creature back.
'end step' effect: Hate Mirage. The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently.
December 1, 2020 6:07 p.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #3
slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I've chosen one to mark as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. In the future, you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel best answers your question.
December 3, 2020 11:56 a.m.
Kougaiji38 says... #4
Oneka's second ruling states "If any triggered abilities do trigger during this process, they’re put onto the stack during the cleanup step. If this happens, players will have a chance to cast spells and activate abilities, then there will be another cleanup step before the turn is over."
So you can activate obeka in the cleanup step.
The way I understand it is the term "end of turn" is something that triggers every turn. So if you act of treason something and skip your end step, you do get to keep it, but at the end of your next opponents turn the effect triggers again since it's unresolved and open/active.
What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger.
This is also why myriad works. Because the trigger for the token destruction is for combat steps only after the original creature (or copies) attacked.
November 1, 2021 12:50 p.m.
Kougaiji38 says... #5
To make things even more muddy, you have cards like Corpse Dance where their card text reads end of turn but their oracle text reads end of next end step. Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards.
November 1, 2021 1:02 p.m.
Kougaiji38 says... #6
Sorry, beginning of next end step on the oracle text for corpse dance, my bad
November 1, 2021 1:03 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #7
Kougaiji38, you seem to have some misconceptions.
"Until end of turn" is now used exclusively for defining a duration of an effect. It no longer is printed on cards (and has been errated off of old cards) to signify a trigger. Act of Treason, Giant Growth, Crew (Smuggler's Copter), etc will all end on the cleanup step of the current turn. There is no way currently printed to extend the duration across multiple turns.
"At the beginning of the next end step" is now used when something needs to trigger after the second main phase. This trigger looks for the next end step to happen and triggers at that time. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. This will allow you to delay the trigger by a turn. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. That way the trigger has gone off and will not trigger again at a later end step.
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #1
Please link all cards using double brackets.
Obeka, Brute Chronologist
Treasure Nabber
Effects that last until the end of a turn end during the cleanup step of that turn. Ending the turn skips directly to the cleanup step of the turn. This means that the control changing effect will still end and the artifact will revert to its previous controller.
November 28, 2020 3:04 a.m.