Redirecting Curse of Swine

Asked by jros528 9 years ago

This seems so obvious to me but my friend is trying to exile 3 of my creatures use Curse of the Swine , I Play Redirect in response. Can I Pick 3 different targets for his spell, or only one?

Also, If I chose to redirect to exile one of his creatures, will him casting hex proof save his creature.

Mac97 says... #1

I believe you can choose 3 targets. Yes, if they give it hexproof will save their creature. Due to "the stack." Just like me casting Lightning Bolt on Frontline Medic and them using a Titanic Growth on the Frontline Medic . Theirs will resolve first since it is most recent and my Lightning Bolt will do only 3 damage to a 7/7 making it a 7/4.

May 30, 2014 8:11 p.m.

jros528 says... #2

I figured since he cast Curse of the Swine and its his spell, I could Redirect his spell to target his creatures and hex proof would only save his creatures from spells that his opponents (me) cast. I was thinking that he couldn't hex proof against his own spell. Thanks for the response though.

May 30, 2014 8:46 p.m.

Mac97 says... #3

That is what hexproof does, prevent YOU from targeting it. However with Redirect YOU are still targeting. Curse of the Swine is still his spell, you are just switching targets.

May 30, 2014 9:16 p.m.

Mac97 says... #4

By the way you are supposed to select an answer to mark it as answered. If that doesn't answer it I will try my best to help further. As for how to select an answer I have no idea.

May 30, 2014 9:20 p.m.

KingSorin says... #5

Mac97 is incorrect. Hexproof says "can't be the target of spells or abilities that your opponents control", and Redirect doesn't target. It chooses. Furthermore, the targets are coming from the opponent's spell so it doesn't matter. If you were to copy it, then you couldn't target their hexproofed creatures with the copies however.

May 30, 2014 9:21 p.m.

Schuesseled says... #6

@Mac97 Damage does not reduce toughness. Damage is marked on a creature, and should that damage prove lethal (equal or greater than toughness) the the creature is destroyed as a state-based action. (before next player receives priority.)

So if you gave a creature +3/+3 making it a 7/7, then it would be a 7/7 with 3 damage, which isn't enough to kill it.

May 30, 2014 9:25 p.m.

Schuesseled says... #7

And yes you can redirect the opponent's spell to creatures he controls with hexproof, as long as they are legal targets.

May 30, 2014 9:29 p.m.

Mac97 says... #8

Really?! I would've sworn up and down that it targeted.

May 30, 2014 9:32 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #9

@Mac97: Redirect targets a spell. Curse of the Swine targets creatures. When you reselect targets using Redirect , you are choosing the new targets, but the targets are for the original spell, which is still controlled by the opponent in this case. Hexproof creatures your opponent controls are legal targets for a spell that same player controls, so you can choose to reselect hexproof creatures that player controls as targets for Curse of the Swine .

May 31, 2014 12:23 a.m.

Devonin says... #10

@Mac97 And another minor little rules thing you might be thinking of incorrectly, in your first post you described a 7/7 getting hit with Lightning Bolt and becoming a 7/4. Damage doesn't reduce toughness. A 7/7 hit by a lightning bolt is a 7/7 with 3 damage marked on it.

May 31, 2014 8:32 a.m.

Mac97 says... #11

On it reducing toughness I meant to say it only does that for the turn not permanently meaning you only have to do 4 more damage for it to die.

May 31, 2014 12:09 p.m.

@Mac97: But it doesn't. Damage never reduces toughness except in the case of wither and infect damage, which are dealt to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters. While it's true you would only have to do 4 more damage to that creature to destroy it, that's because the damage remains marked on the creature.

May 31, 2014 1:11 p.m.

KingSorin says... #13

This is relevant in scenarios where a creature has indestructible. You have to reduce its toughness to zero and have state-based actions send it to the graveyard if you want to get rid of one. AKA, if there is a 3/3 with Indestructibility on it, Bile Blight will kill it, however Lightning Strike will not, as In the case of strike, it will be a 3/3 with 3 damaged marked on it, however in the case of bile blight, it will be a 0/0 (the 0 toughness will mean that it will die). Similarly, a 6/6 indestructible that has been Lightning Strike d and Bile Blight ed will be a 3/3 with 3 damage marked on it. It's indestructible so it will not die to lethal damage so it's alive, but 2 Bile Blight s would kill it, as it actually reduces its toughness by 6. I hope this clarifies :)

May 31, 2014 9:08 p.m.

Mac97 says... #14

I know I'm just out of it. Any other day I would've known all this.

May 31, 2014 9:27 p.m.

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