Ramos, dragon engine interactions

Asked by Hydra_guy 2 months ago

suppose I have Ramos, Dragon Engine on the battlefield and I play a Simic Signet what happens? Also does a spell like Golgari Charm copied with Cloven Casting put counters on Ramos, Dragon Engine twice?

While Simic Signet makes colored mana, it isn't colored itself. After all, you can play it with nothing but colorless mana, right? So Ramos wouldn't get any counters from you playing the signet.

If you played Golgari Charm and copied it with Cloven Casting, Ramos would only get two counters. Putting a copy of a spell on the stack isn't the same as actually casting it, and Ramos requires you to cast a spell for him to get the counters.

October 5, 2018 3:48 p.m.

Hydra_guy says... #2

ClockworkSwordfish Dang if only those combos did work would a dual card likeSupply count as 2 spell for Ramos

October 5, 2018 4:04 p.m.

Kogarashi says... Accepted answer #3

If a card like Ramos, Dragon Engine says "cast" on it, then only spells you cast count. Cloven Casting doesn't tell you to cast the copy, so the copy won't count.

When Ramos, Dragon Engine talks about a spell's colors, it's specifically talking about any colors in its casting cost, plus any colors on its color indicator. Simic Signet has no colored mana in its casting cost, nor does it have a color indicator, so it is a colorless spell. Devoid spells also won't trigger Ramos, even if they have colored mana symbols in their cost. Crimson Kobolds will put one counter on Ramos even though it lacks colored symbols in its mana cost because it's still a red spell.

As for Supply // Demand, while it counts as all three colors anywhere else, it's only the colors of the side you cast when on the stack, so Ramos would only get two counters.

October 5, 2018 4:27 p.m.

Neotrup says... #4

Additionally fuse cards like Catch / Release only count as a single spell when fused. You'd get 3 counters when casting both halves, not 4, as the overlapping color only counts once. You'd get 2 counters if you only cast one half.

October 6, 2018 9:41 a.m.

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