Ogre Slumlord creating tokens from Pack Rat?

Asked by Mr_crazydude 9 years ago

Hi all,

I use a program called "MTG forge" to test some of my decks and I saw something rather peculiar on it.

On the field was a Pack Rat and an Ogre Slumlord. Pack rat created some tokens and the round after the tokens went into battle.However when the pack rat tokens were destroyed it stated that Ogre Slumlord DID create the normal rat tokens. Is this some kind of error in the program or was this a legit play? Pack rat tokens are an exact copy of pack rat after all, but shouldn't they still be considered tokens?

What do you guys think about this?

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1

It's a glitch in the matrix.

"Tokenness" is an uncopiable, unchangeable characteristic of an object. It's either true or not. If the object is a card, it's a card. If the object is not a card and is a permanent, then it's a token (tokens can also briefly exist in other zones, but will cease to exist when state-based actions are performed).

Ogre Slumlord's ability should not have triggered for the copies because the copies are tokens.

December 1, 2014 7:36 p.m.

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