Obsidian Fireheart vs Five-Alarm Fire

Asked by Coward_Token 4 years ago

A Five-Alarm Fire without a blaze counter on it is enchanted by a Song of the Dryads , making it a land. An Obsidian Fireheart is used to put a blaze counter on the Five-Alarm Fire.

If the Song of Dryads is removed and the Five-Alarm stops being a land, will the ability still trigger? What if a Hex Parasite removes the blaze counter from the Fireheart, but the Five-Alarm then has one put on itself by its own ability?

Kogarashi says... #1

For lack of a more definitive answer, I will say that since rules text referring to the card's name means "this object this rules text is on," then the triggered ability's "this land deals damage" refers to "this object the ability is on deals damage," and thus would work even when the Five-Alarm Fire ceases to be a land.

Beyond that, it doesn't matter how the Five-Alarm Fire gets blaze counters. As long as it has one after the Obsidian Fireheart 's ability resolves, it will have that triggered ability. It will only be able to add blaze counters through its own ability if Song of the Dryads is not on it (since Song removes all the card's own rules text and replaces it with the ability to tap for green mana, per the ruling below).

From Gatherer rulings for Song of the Dryads :

• The enchanted permanent loses any card types, subtypes, and colors it previously had. It keeps any supertypes it had and its name remains unchanged. It gains “{T}: Add {G}” and loses all other abilities from its rules text. It will still have any abilities it gained from other effects. (2014-11-07)

December 30, 2019 2:51 p.m.

Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #2

To elaborate on the second portion of the question, once the blaze counter is removed, the ability is also removed from the permanent.

10/1/2009 If all blaze counters on a land are moved to a different land, the triggered ability doesn’t follow them. The first land no longer has the ability because it no longer has a blaze counter on it. The second land doesn’t have the ability because Obsidian Fireheart didn’t target it.

The basis of this rule from Obsidian Fireheart ’s Gatherer page is that once all blaze counters are removed, it no longer has that ability so it wouldn’t matter if it then received a new blaze counter from a different source.

December 30, 2019 3:10 p.m.