Nekusar, Puzzle Box, and Elder Mastery
Asked by ducttapedeckbox 5 years ago
I control both Teferi's Puzzle Box and Nekusar, the Mindrazer enchanted with Elder Mastery. In what order do the abilities trigger on one of my opponent's draw steps?
ducttapedeckbox says... #2
Thanks! To complete the answer, Nekusar's extra draw and Teferi's trigger simultaneously, so I choose the order? And do these trigger after opponent draws for turn, Nekusar's ping triggers/resolves, and Elder Mastery triggers/resolves, or before the two abilities trigger?
October 12, 2018 8:46 p.m.
I was just about to write a response but cdkime beat me to it (grrr :D). Also while all he wrote is correct, he missed the fact that drawing a card for the turn doesn't use the stack, which means at the start of the draw phase your opponent will first draw his card (unless another effect prohibits this, say he has a Necropotence which btw will negate the combo entirely), your Nekusar will ping them and cause them to discard 2 cards and then since you are the owner of both Teferi's Puzzle Box and Nekusar, the Mindrazer(the part about the extra draw) I belive that you can order them in whatever order you like.
October 12, 2018 9 p.m.
Okay, so the draw step will start, causing Teferi's Puzzle Box and Nekusar, the Mindrazer's extra draw ability to trigger (but not yet be put on the stack. Then, the active player will draw a card as a turn based action, causing Nekusar's damage dealing ability to trigger. Then, state based actions will be checked, likely this means nothing, but a Dread Slag could be dying here. Then each player in APNAP order will put onto the stack any triggered abilities that have triggered since the last time a player received priority. Notably, you have 3 abilities waiting to be put on the stack, so you can arrange them however you like. You're opponent can respond right now if they drew an instant, and after each of the draw abilities resolve they may have new instants to try and stop your lock, but most likely they will find themselves empty handed very fast, and will not be able to play anything other than a sorcery until they find a way to deal with one of your pieces.
Caerwyn says... #1
Teferi’s will trigger first. Your opponent will put their hand on the bottom of the library and then draw their cards.
Nekusar will trigger for each card the opponent draws. So, let’s say they draw 3 cards, there are 3 triggers on the stack.
First trigger resolves and deals damage. Mastery trigger goes on the stack, it resolves, they discard 3 cards. 1 card left in hand. Nekusar’s next trigger will resolve, then Mastery, then their hand will be empty, and Nekusar will resolve the final time, triggering a Mastery. If they somehow gained cards, they would have to discard them.
Remember, at any point during this where they have priority, your opponents will have the ability to cast instants they draw, so they’re not entirely crippled.
Also, Helm of the Ghastlord is a better option. It costs fewer mana, goes near-infinite with Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, and draws you cards on Nekusar.
October 12, 2018 8:34 p.m.