Manifest and counters

Asked by MickMacHugh2 3 years ago

I know that a card that was manifested and is turned face up is not considered to be entering the battlefield for purposes of triggers. What does that mean for effects such as Vanishing that are supposed to cause the card to enter with counters on it? For example, if Turntimber Ranger will not create a wolf token, would Waning Wurm come in with no time counters and have to be immediately sacrificed?

Vanishing

No, phasing is a strange old mechanic. Whenever a permanent gets phased out, all counters and information stay with it. Along with all auras enchanting said permanent and all equipment attached to said permanent.

August 3, 2016 1:59 a.m.

Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #2

Now, since I realized you're talking about the vanishing ability and not Vanishing the card, it still won't be sacrificed.

When the creature enters as a manifest, it enters with no abilities of the face-down side. So it will not get any time counters placed on it.

Vanishing's reminder text reads: "At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from [this creature]. When the last is removed, sacrifice it."

Because it never had any time counters to begin with, you have none to remove at your upkeeps and will therefore never be able to trigger its forced sacrifice ability.

August 3, 2016 2:37 a.m.

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