Legendary Rule and how it's affected by Daring Thief?

Asked by TheGodofNight 9 years ago

If I untap Daring Thief , and switch my opponent's Elspeth, Sun's Champion with my Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver , and I play an another Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver , is the one under my opponent's control affected by my new Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver since the the card is technically mine, or does the new "Legendary Rule" not affect either Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver ? Thanks in advance.

Drilnoth says... #1

The Legend Rule since Magic 2014 cares about who controls the creature. It doesn't care about who owns the creature. Your opponent can control Ashiok and you can control Ashiok, even if you both own them, and the Legend Rule doesn't mind.

May 23, 2014 11:08 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #2

The legend rule deals only with legendary permanents. There is a separate rule for planeswalkers: the planeswalker uniqueness rule.

In this situation, you control two Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver s. Both of them have the same planeswalker subtype (Ashiok), so you must put all but one of them into their owner's graveyard. You can choose to keep your own Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver or the one that your opponent owns.

May 23, 2014 11:14 p.m.

TheGodofNight says... #3

Just to clarify, even those one Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is under the control of my opponent, and the other under mine, I would have to remove one correct? I just took a second and read the rule relating to the planeswalker uniqueness rule, "704.5j If a player controls two or more planeswalkers that share a planeswalker type, that player chooses one of them, and the rest are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "planeswalker uniqueness rule." Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems like since my opponent controls it at the time, it's not shouldn't be affected. Don't get me wrong, if it is affected. that's great news. I just wanted to be clear on the interaction so if I need to explain it, I can do so clearly.

May 23, 2014 11:30 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #4

My mistake; I misread the first sentence and thought you gained control of your opponent's Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver . The planeswalker uniqueness rule does not apply to this situation because the two planeswalkers are controlled by different players.

Originally, the planeswalker uniqueness rule only allowed there to exist one planeswalker of each planeswalker subtype, regardless of controller.

May 23, 2014 11:41 p.m.

The answer is no because your opponent controls it 704.5j dose not care if you own it.

September 24, 2014 1:05 a.m.

The answer isn't even in the accepted answer lol.

September 24, 2014 1:07 a.m.

Drilnoth says... #7

You know you just responded to a thread from May, right...?

Anyway, the answer which is marked as correct is. Epochalyptik misunderstood the question in his original response, but he fixed that in his second (and accepted) answer.

September 24, 2014 3:36 a.m.

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