Imprinting and split second: questions

Asked by Upyron 1 year ago

1) Panoptic Mirror can it trigger when Temporal Mastery miracle cost,can be be imprinting ?

2) Trickbind split second, ability can't counter imprinting when the first stak is make from imprinting right ? so is if is right is impossible counter this example.

3)"mana abilities can't be targeting" ok like creatures ability or panoptic imprinting cost also is not possible? but when Trickbind is on the stack everything can be casting mana ability or not ??

4) "counter target activate ability" can be during a stack ? als, can counter an instant (i don't think).


chosenone124 says... Accepted answer #1

  1. When you cast Temporal Mastery for its Miracle cost, Temporal Mastery leaves your hand and enters the stack. Panoptic Mirror cannot imprint cards that aren't in your hand.

  2. Trickbind can counter imprint.

  3. Trickbind cannot counter mana abilities. It can counter any other activated ability.

  4. Instants are not activated abilities and cannot be countered

March 7, 2018 11:45 p.m.

Neotrup says... #2

Temporal Mastery has a CMC of 7 at all times, in all zones. It's miracle cost is an alternate cost that can be used when you draw it as the first card for your turn, but that does not altar it's CMC. Panoptic Mirror only cares about CMC.

Trickbind can counter an activated or triggered ability, which I believe covers all Imprint abilities. It is very difficult to counter Trickbind, but it is possible. If you put imprint Trickbind onto Panoptic Mirror you'll be able to cast it during your upkeep to counter another upkeep trigger you control, but to little other effect. The Panoptic Mirror trigger would still use the stack and could be Stifled to keep you from casting Trickbind, as the trigger does not have split second.

A mana ability is an activated ability that could add mana to a players mana pool and is not a loyalty ability or an ability that targets (like the ability of Simic Signet or Spectral Searchlight). Or a triggered ability that does not target and could be triggered by the activation of another mana ability (like the triggered ability of Utopia Sprawl or Caged Sun).

Trickbind and Stifle can only counter abilities, not spells, which is why they cost less than counterspells. Disallow or Voidslime would let you either counter a spell or ability.

March 8, 2018 1:57 a.m.

Upyron says... #3

thanks guys you're adorable.

only 2 dquestions about:

1) "Split Second ability" can't counter a triggered ability when the last trigger ability is in a stack right ?

2) Utopia Sprawl or Caged Sun they aren't mana ability right? like Blood Crypt Terramorphic Expanse can be counter during in they stack.

March 8, 2018 7:14 a.m.

xyr0s says... #4

2) No, Utopia Sprawl and Caged Sun have static abilities. You can't counter what they do with something that counters activated abilities.

March 8, 2018 7:33 a.m.

Neotrup says... #5

The abilities that start with "whenever" are triggered abilities, you can tell because they start with the word "whenever." They are also mana abilities which means they don't use the stack, and will function any time you have permission to activate a mana ability. They do also have static abilities that function as replacement effects modifying how they enter the battlefield, and Caged Sun has a static ability to boost power and toughness, while Utopia Sprawl has the keyword static ability Enchant. An example of a similar mana increasing effect that is not a triggered ability (or mana ability) would be Mana Reflection, note that it uses "if" to indicate a replacement effect rather than a trigger condition.

Split Second is a static ability that functions while a spell is on the stack. If a spell has Split Second no player can cast spells or activate non mana abilites. It does not counter anything. Trickbind is a spell that can counter target activated or triggered ability AND also has split second. Take Possession is an Aura that gives you control of a permanent AND has split second, it cannot counter anything.

March 8, 2018 12:09 p.m.

Upyron says... #6

thanks, just 2 questions.

If you were to Trickbind, it would stop everything after the word "When" thus making it. The definition of a triggered ability is anything that follows the words "When", "Whenever", or "At"(not for mana ability).

Cursecatcher can counter Trickbind because is mana ability ?thanks again!!

March 9, 2018 10:42 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #7

Yes, countering something means it has no effect. If you counter a triggered ability with Trickbind then the trigger doesn't do anything.

Cursecatcher can't be used to counter Trickbind because Trickbind has the "Split Second" ability. This means you can't activate Cursecatcher's activated ability in response.

March 9, 2018 11:25 a.m.

Neotrup says... #8

Cursecatcher's ability is not a mana ability, because it (most importantly) cannot add mana to a player's mana pool. It also targets, which a mana ability cannot do.

Stratus Dancer's triggered ability could counter Trickbind, because morph is a special action and thus is not stopped by split second, and triggered abilities still trigger with a split second spell on the stack.

March 9, 2018 11:50 a.m.

Upyron says... #9

wow so no one can sacrifice creature, when split second is in a stack... is OP.Trickbind can counter Stratus Dancer when is turned face up because " Trickbind, it would stop everything after the word "When", "Whenever", or "At"(not for mana ability)." thus making it.

THANKS goblins you're awful <3

March 9, 2018 12:35 p.m.

Neotrup says... #10

Well, yes, Trickbind can counter Stratus Dancer's ability, and Stratus Dancer's ability can counter Trickbind, just depends which one is responding to which, just like how Counterspell can counter Counterspell.

Creatures can be sacrificed with split second on the stack, just not as part of the cost for casting a spell or activating a nonmana ability. For instance, if a player has Ashnod's Altar, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, and Mystic Snake with no +1/+1 counters on it, they could sacrifice the Mystic Snake for , triggering undying to return the Mystic Snake, triggering it's enter the battlefield ability to counter Trickbind.

March 9, 2018 2:55 p.m.

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