How does Panoptic Mirror work with epic?
Asked by The_Dragonmaster 7 years ago
So I was looking at a deck that uses Panoptic Mirror to control the game with Worst Fears. I was wondering, how would Panoptic Mirror work with Endless Swarm?
My guess is, I would exile the card from my hand as an imprint. Then on the turn after, the first copy of Endless Swarm would come into effect. On the next turn, because a copy is not cast, a second Endless Swarm would activate. Help would be appreciated!
The_Dragonmaster says... #2
That's what I thought when I read the card, but in the gatherer rules text, it changes "play" to "cast". LINK
November 20, 2016 5:22 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #3
There is an important difference between copying a spell on the stack (Reverberate) and copying a card and casting the copy (Panoptic Mirror).
In the first case, the copy of the spell is created directly on the stack, you don't cast it. In the second case, you create a virtual copy of the imprinted card and cast that.
As you're not allowed to cast anything after an Epic spell, this won't work.
November 20, 2016 5:25 p.m.
The_Dragonmaster says... #4
So I will get an extra copy of the card each turn, but the copies won't get copies?
November 20, 2016 5:29 p.m.
hyperlocke says... Accepted answer #5
Also, @MohenjoDaro: At the beginning of your upkeep, the Mirror's ability triggers. You decide to copy the card and cast it. An ability does as much as it can, so the copy will get created, but the game will not allow you to cast it.
November 20, 2016 5:30 p.m.
hyperlocke says... #6
@The_Dragonmaster: Did you mean the copies won't get cast? If so, then correct (see my answer above).
If you mean "What does Epic actually do?": After Endless Swarm resolved, in each of your upkeeps you put the ability "Put a 1/1 green Snake creature token onto the battlefield for each card in your hand." on the stack. Notice that Epic doesn't say "cast a copy of this card", because that obviously wouldn't work with the not casting anything part of the ability.
November 20, 2016 5:36 p.m.
The_Dragonmaster says... #7
The main thing I'm confused the rules say in epic that "spells can't be cast", but the cards says "spells can't be played".
November 20, 2016 8 p.m.
MohenjoDaro says... #8
701.10b To play a card means to play that card as a land or to cast that card as a spell, whichever is appropriate.
Playing is another way of saying cast, but playing applies to lands as well (you don't cast lands).
November 20, 2016 8:09 p.m.
PayOneLife says... #9
The_Dragonmaster The reason it says play rather than cast is simply because of its age. As time has gone on WoTC has refined the usage of language and now play and cast have different meanings. Play means either casting a spell or playing a land, so with a card like Mosswort Bridge you can play an exiled land or cast an exiled spell. If Mosswort Bridge said cast then you would not be able to play a land, as only spells can be cast.
MohenjoDaro says... #1
I don't think you'll be able to make the copy with Panoptic Mirror since you can't cast it. Epic states that you cannot play any spells, so since you can't play the copy panoptic mirror would make, I don't think you can make the copy, that or you can make the copy but can't play it. That's just my thought on it, hopefully someone with more expertise can answer.
November 20, 2016 5:19 p.m.