How do you kill an indestructible creature?

Asked by Skuzy 1 year ago

I have been playing for a few months now and people keep using indestructible creatures to block my strongest creatures, neither dies but it is still annoying that my strongest creature keeps getting blocked by something I feel should die but doesn't (i.e. 1000/1000 Primordial Hydra should kill a 1/1 creature, but the 1/1 creature is indestructible). Since "destroy" spells and lethal damage do not work, I would like to know how you get them into the graveyard.

Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #1

Any creature whose toughness is reduced to 0 or less is put into a graveyard as a state-based action, regardless of whether or not it is indestructible. You could use creatures with wither or infect or you could use spells like card:Black Sun's Zenith and Disfigure to reduce the toughness of the indestructible creatures until they die.

Alternatively, you could exile them with something like Path to Exile or Oblivion Ring .

July 22, 2012 10:52 a.m.

GoblinsInc says... #2

or cause them to be sacrificed with something like geth's verdict.

July 22, 2012 10:59 a.m.

hunter9000 says... #3

Giving your big creatures trample would get damage through if they're blocking with small indestructible creatures.

Bouncing them with something like Vapor Snag also works.

July 22, 2012 11:32 a.m.

GoblinsInc says... #4

Bouncing them with something like Vapor Snag also works.
Only if they are bounced before blockers are declared, or the attacking creature also has trample
July 22, 2012 11:33 a.m.

A common thing to do against indestructible is Tragic Slip .

July 22, 2012 2:44 p.m.

Dranzogger says... #6

1000/1000 primordial hydra has trample. Attack and proceed to win.

July 22, 2012 3:08 p.m.

Cookieboy1221 says... #7

1.) Exile it

2.) Make you opponent sacrifice it

3.) Minus counters

4.) Pacifism or any other cards like it

5.) Depending on what colour it is, if you have a creature which has protection from what ever the indistructable creature is then no damage can be dealth by the indestructable creature to the protected creature.

6.) Return it to their hand

7.) Counter it before it comes in

These can all stop them from bothering you.

July 22, 2012 6:30 p.m.

Cookieboy1221 says... #8

Additionally i would like to point out that if you have a 1000/1000 Primordial Hydra being blocked by a 1/1 Indestructable dude then you would deal 999 damage to them. Primordial Hydra gains trample when it reaches 10 or more counters.

July 22, 2012 6:33 p.m.

Skeletontree says... #9

Actually the accepted answer is incorrect based on the game rules. Lethal damage does not destroy, or 'kill', a creature with indestructible. Please refer to rule 700.4 as I have pasted below:"700.4. If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects cant destroy it. (See rule 701.6, Destroy.) Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based action (see rule 704.5g). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or exiled."Therefore the only way to destroy an indestructible is via the other actions other users have posted.

May 25, 2013 2:16 p.m.

hunter9000 says... #10

The accepted answer (post #1) is correct. Creatures aren't destroyed when they have 0 toughness, they're put in the graveyard as a state based action. That isn't a destroy effect, so indestructible doesn't prevent it.

May 25, 2013 3:01 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #11

@Skeletontree: I fail to see how my answer is inconsistent with those rules.

May 25, 2013 7:55 p.m.

0610cja says... #12

Accepted Answer #1 is incorrect. The rule states that the indestructible ability completely ignores the state based action. Simply put the only way to destroy a creature that is indestructible would be to make force its controller to sacrifice it.

May 30, 2013 4:48 p.m.

@ 0610cja

  1. Where does this "rule" state that?

  2. You would think thousands of judges would have gotten this memo of making indestructible OP

  3. No.

May 30, 2013 4:55 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #14

@0610cja: Actually, it is you who is incorrect.

Indestructible simply means this permanent can't be destroyed. That's it. Any other means of killing a creature (reducing its toughness to 0 or less, causing it to be sacrificed) still puts that creature into its owner's graveyard. Neither 0 or less toughness nor sacrifice cause a creature to be destroyed.

I'm curious now. From where did you source your information?

May 30, 2013 6:08 p.m.

Skeletontree says... #15

Allow me to clarify my answer. Lethal damage, I.e. from defending will still reduce an indestructibles toughness to zero but since indestructible prevents the creature from going to the graveyard due to lethal damage it is not destroyed, and its toughness returns to its previous level after combat is resolved. Indestructible does not prevent damage, just the effect of that damage. -1 counters are technically not considered damage so therefore if you bring the toughness below zero in this manner, and since no creature may have 0 or less toughness, it is sacrificed as a state based action. No damage was ever done to the indestructible this way. There is a difference and this has led to much confusion and research on my part since a majority of people tend to explain the rules to me in their own words and not exactly how the rules define them. Though who wants to study the game rules, besides myself..

May 31, 2013 9:40 a.m.

Epochalyptik says... #16

@Skeletontree: Almost every part of that post is incorrect.

Damage does not reduce a creature's toughness unless that damage is dealt in the form of wither or infect.

In the case of wither and infect, -1/-1 counters are considered damage, as that is how a source with wither or infect deals damage to creatures.

Creatures with 0 or less toughness are not sacrificed. They are simply put into their owner's graveyard as a state-based action.

May 31, 2013 12:28 p.m.

Skeletontree says... #17

I apologize if I have misquoted something. Here are the points I was trying to outline albeit incorrectly as you have stated:Damage accumulates on indestructible creatures, and that damage is removed during the cleanup step.Lethal damage is defined as an amount of damage greater than or equal to a creatures toughness. Even though an indestructible creature isn't destroyed by lethal damage, that definition is still used for things like assigning trample damage.If a creature with lethal damage on it stops being indestructible, it's destroyed the next time state-based effects are checked.Being indestructible stops only effects that would destroy the permanent, including destruction due to lethal damage and destruction that doesn't allow regeneration. An indestructible permanent can be exiled, returned to a player's hand, put into a graveyard for having 0 or less toughness, or sacrificed.You can use a regeneration effect on an indestructible permanent, but since that permanent can't be destroyed, the effect does not apply, unless it loses indestructibility before the end of the end step, then it would regenerate.

May 31, 2013 2:12 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #18

All of that information is correct. However, there is still nothing in your argument that would refute my accepted answer (as you claim in post #9).

May 31, 2013 2:22 p.m.

Skeletontree says... #19

Clearly my understanding is too limited to be posting on this topic. I apologize for being a dick, my intention was only to provide more information but I went about that all wrong. I'll just delete my account and stop posting.

May 31, 2013 2:38 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #20

I don't think that's necessary. You had a different understanding of the situation, so I wanted to clarify what exactly was going on on all sides. I'm not harassing you or anything; I'm merely trying to make sure everyone is on the same page here.

May 31, 2013 2:45 p.m.

trentp says... #21

Cant we just say it doesnt die by blocking or cards that say destroy? only by -1 -1 counters or its power is reduced to 0 by an instant or sorcery? and also, cant we ALL just get along? lol

July 2, 2013 11:11 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #22

(This question was answered a year ago and has been dead for a month.)

July 2, 2013 11:14 p.m.

trentp says... #23

Ooooooo... So sorry! Jeez!

July 3, 2013 1:04 a.m.

Epochalyptik says... #24

Sorry, not trying to criticize you. I would just prefer that this one stay dead given how it unfolded last time it got revived.

July 3, 2013 1:07 a.m.

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