Does Transcendence and Tainted Remedy create a game ending loop?

Asked by chosenone124 7 years ago

Suppose I have Transcendence, and my opponent has Tainted Remedy. I take one point of damage. Does the game automatically draw?

BlueScope says... Accepted answer #1

Yes.

Transcendence has a triggered ability, not a replacement effect, meaning it will trigger when you take that one point of damage you mentioned, normally gaining you two life on resolution. Tainted Remedy will replace that event with losing two life instead, which again will trigger Transcendence. This time, you will gain 4 life on resolution, which Tainted Remedy will replace with losing 4 life, and so on. This is an infinite loop with only mandatory actions, so this rule draws the game:

719.4. If a loop contains only mandatory actions, the game is a draw. (See rules 104.4b and 104.4f.)

Of course, if your opponent is capable of removing an enchantment at instant speed (such as with Disenchant), they can remove Tainted Remedy at some time (that they have to determine) in response to Transcendence's trigger, and that trigger resolving will actually gain you twice as much life as you had lost (which might potentially raise you above 20, depending on the starting life total when all of this happened).

February 14, 2017 5:33 a.m.

chosenone124 says... #2

They can also choose not to destroy one of the loop pieces, and draw the game right?

February 14, 2017 5:53 p.m.

Yes, they can select loop pieces.They can't destroy the piece, then you can draw the game right way.I am pretty sure about it when I working at online essay writing service I had experienced about the issue.

February 15, 2017 4:30 a.m.

Yes, they can select loop pieces.They can't destroy the piece, then you can draw the game right way.I am pretty sure about it when I working at online essay writing service( http://usawriters.org/) I had experienced about the issue.

February 15, 2017 4:33 a.m.

BlueScope says... #5

Like virginialuther12 already clarified, it's up to the player whether they actually use their enchantment removal spell or ability. The relevant rule:

719.5. No player can be forced to perform an action that would end a loop other than actions called for by objects involved in the loop.

February 15, 2017 7:05 a.m.

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