Does Goblin Electromancer interact with Bonfire of the Damned?

Asked by Panda213 2 years ago

Does the ability of Goblin Electromancer to reduce the cost of instant/sorcery spells by 1 effect the casting cost of xxR for Bonfire of the Damned? If so, how? If not, why? Thanks :)

Alvn_isnt_Low says... #1

Yes, it would reduce the casting cost by 1 mana.

So instead of having to pay 1 Mountain and 6 other mana to deal 3 damage, you would only have to pay the 1 Mountain and 5 other mana to deal the same 3 damage.

Works for other alternative costs too, such as overload and flashback

September 29, 2012 10:29 a.m.

BrokenZygoma says... #2

Sure does. For the XX cost, you figure out how much you want/are able to pay for X and the additional R, then you just remove 1 from the combined XX cost. So If you have say 11 mana and you want to pay bonfire for X=5, and you have a Goblin out, you would have 1 mountain for the R, then the other 10 for each X=5, and then you take off the 1 you save from the electromancer. Then you pay 9R and have one mana leftover for anything you want.

September 29, 2012 11:20 a.m.

Twosocks42 says... #3

Steps in casting a spell:

601.2a:. Declare the spell.601.2b: Modal affects, alternative costs, splicing, and in this case- picking a value for X, takes place.601.2c: Pick targets and zones, if applicable6012d: Announce division of effects, if applicable601.2e: DETERMINE COSTS- this is the step that matters in this case. You take all effects that will affect the mana cost of a spell, and apply them now. Goblin Electromancer 's ability then applies it's reduction cost to the total amount that Bonfire of the Damned would cost, based on it's casting cost and the value for X selected in 601.2b. You apply any other effects as well (Example: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 's increase in mana cost for non-creature spells.601.2f: If the spell requires mana payment, and you do not already have mana in your mana pool, you can activate mana abilities here.601.2g: Pay the costs in any order601.2h: Once a-g are complete, the spell is cast. Priority returns to the player who had it at the time of casting the spell.

I'm paraphrasing 601.2a-h, but this is how it works based on the comprehensive rules. Hope that helps you understand why your goblin reduces X values as well, and how it does.

September 29, 2012 11:03 p.m.

Twosocks42 says... Accepted answer #4

The above posts formatting was whacked, mod can delete it

Steps in casting a spell:

601.2a:. Declare the spell.

601.2b: Modal affects, alternative costs, splicing, and in this case- picking a value for X, takes place.

601.2c: Pick targets and zones, if applicable

6012d: Announce division of effects, if applicable

601.2e: DETERMINE COSTS- this is the step that matters in this case. You take all effects that will affect the mana cost of a spell, and apply them now. Goblin Electromancer's ability then applies it's reduction cost to the total amount that Bonfire of the Damned would cost, based on it's casting cost and the value for X selected in 601.2b. You apply any other effects as well (Example: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben's increase in mana cost for non-creature spells.

601.2f: If the spell requires mana payment, and you do not already have mana in your mana pool, you can activate mana abilities here.

601.2g: Pay the costs in any order

601.2h: Once a-g are complete, the spell is cast. Priority returns to the player who had it at the time of casting the spell.

I'm paraphrasing 601.2a-h, but this is how it works based on the comprehensive rules. Hope that helps you understand why your goblin reduces X values as well, and how it does.

September 29, 2012 11:05 p.m.

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