Does Arjun insti-kill a Psychosis Crawler?

Asked by CkajLanoa 7 years ago

Psychosis Crawler is one of the win-cons in my Arjun, the Shifting Flame EDH deck. If you read the crawler, you'll see that it has a power and toughness equal to the number of cards in hand. My question is: during an Arjun trigger, is there a point where you have no cards in your hand, leading your Crawler to temporarily be a 0/0?

Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #1

There will be a point in time during the resolution where Psychosis Crawler will have 0 toughness.

However, Dying due to 0 toughness is a State Based Action and SBA's are checked whenever a player would receive priority. During the resolution of a spell or ability, no player has priority so SBA's are not checked at that time.

Psychosis Crawler will have 0 toughness, but will survive once the ability is done resolving.

May 8, 2016 1:21 p.m.

Gidgetimer says... #2

Does Arjun, the Shifting Flame insti-kill a Psychosis Crawler?

No.

During an Arjun, the Shifting Flame trigger, is there a point where you have no cards in your hand, leading your Psychosis Crawler to temporarily be a 0/0?

Yes.

Having zero or less toughness has no meaning outside of the state-based action that creatures with zero or less toughness are put into the graveyard. SBA are checked each time before a player receives priority. Importantly they are not checked during the resolution of a spell. By the time SBA are checked you have cards in your hand again and Psychosis Crawler has toughness > 0.

May 8, 2016 1:23 p.m.

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