Do both Favored Hoplites receive counter?
Asked by Hwedlor 7 years ago
I have 2 Favored Hoplites in play. I cast on 1 of the Hoplites Hyena Umbra, giving +1/+1 to that Hoplite. This activates the trigger for a specific creature "Favored Hoplite". this would mean that the Hoplite I cast the spell on would have the following:
Hoplite A:+1/+1 for enchantment+1/+1 for Hoplite A trigger+1/+1 for Hoplite B trigger
Hoplite B+1/+1 for Hoplite A trigger+1/+1 for Hoplite B trigger
Heroic - Whenever you cast a spell that targets Favored Hoplite, put a +1/+1 counter on Favored Hoplite and prevent all damage that would be dealt to it this turn.
Gidgetimer says... #2
October 19, 2016 5:38 a.m.
This I disagree on based on ruling for cards like Hada Freeblade. This also triggers all that have that same name.
Whenever Hada Freeblade or another Ally enters the battlefield under your control, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Hada Freeblade.October 19, 2016 5:42 a.m.
Am I wrong to think that the static trigger of Hada Freeblade is different than Favored Hoplite? Both are triggers, one that triggers by a ally entering the battlefield and on that triggers by a spell targeting that specific name on the card.
October 19, 2016 6:12 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
If you have 2 Hada Freeblade out and play a Stonework Puma you put a single counter on each Hada Freeblade. Hada Freeblade does not disprove what I have said.
October 19, 2016 6:16 a.m.
and this would be the same for a named card in the trigger
October 19, 2016 6:17 a.m.
I am confirming what I saw go down in an FNM at a LGC last week with a level 2 Judge on hand.
October 19, 2016 6:18 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Each Hada Freeblade has its own ability. If an Ally enters the battlefield under your control, the ability of each of your Hada Freeblades will trigger, and each of those abilities will put a counter on only the Hada Freeblade that is the source of that particular instance of the ability.
E.g., you control two Hada Freeblades and resolve a third Hada Freeblade. Each one's ability will trigger, and you'll end up with three Hada Freeblades, each with one counter.
Gidgetimer already quoted the rule that applies to this scenario as well as the one in your question.
October 19, 2016 6:36 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #10
Also, there's no such thing as a "static trigger." An ability is either triggered or static (or activated). They're separate things.
October 19, 2016 6:37 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #11
Both Hada Freeblade and Favored Hoplite have abilities with cards named in the triggers.
With Hada Freeblade it triggers whenever an ally enters the field and puts a counter on itself and only itself no matter how many cards named Hada Freeblade are on the field (as per 201.4).
With Favored Hoplite it triggers when it specifically is targeted (as per 201.4) and puts a counter on and prevents damage to itself and only itself no matter how many cards named Favored Hoplite are on the field (again per 201.4).
Cylian Sunsinger is an example of a card that will affect other cards with the same name as it. Usually a card referring to itself by name is just used for to make the card read in natural language better than "the game object that this ability is on". When it cares about a card's name it will say some variation of "a card named", "cards named", or "with the name".
October 19, 2016 6:38 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #12
When you say "I am confirming what I saw go down in an FNM at a LGC last week with a level 2 Judge on hand", what exactly did you see?
October 19, 2016 1:21 p.m.
KaiserTruesdale says... #13
To clarify this argument, please see rule 201.4:
Rule 201.4"201.4. Text that refers to the object its on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects."
To translate, "When CARDNAME [enters the battlefield/attacks/dies/etc.]" ACTUALLY MEANS "When THIS OBJECT [enters the battlefield/attacks/dies/etc.]".
Therefore, each Favored Hoplite looks only at itself, not at all cards with the name "Favored Hoplite".
The reason Hada Freeblade follows the same rule, but functions slightly differently, is that Hada Freeblade is an Ally itself. When a Hada Freeblade enters the battlefield, if there is already another Hada Freeblade, there will be two triggers, not one. The "CARDNAME means OBJECT" rule still applies.
October 19, 2016 11:29 p.m.
KaiserTruesdale says... #14
Clarifying my answer above, each Hada Freeblade will only get one counter, not two. There will be two triggers: one for each Hada Freeblade.
October 19, 2016 11:31 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... Accepted answer #15
Yeah, no. As has been covered, whenever a card uses its own name in the text, or a shortened version sometimes in the case of Legendary Creatures, it is referring to itself as a game object, not to everything with that name.
Gidgetimer says... #1
Heroic only triggers when you target the specific permanent that the ability is on and only gives the buff to that permanent as well.
October 19, 2016 5:36 a.m.