Championing a Creature put into play with Incandescent Soulstoke

Asked by jackofclubs87 4 years ago

Here's the situation:

I have 4 Untapped Mountains and an Incandescent Soulstoke in play. I have another Incandescent Soulstoke and a Nova Chaser in my hand.

I use Incandescent Soulstoke activated ability to but the other Incandescent Soulstoke into play.

Then I activate that one's ability to put Nova Chaser into play, championing the Incandescent Soulstoke that was just put into play.

I believe if I champion the 2nd Incandescent Soulstoke, it will return to play when Nova Chaser is sacrificed at the beginning of my End Step and I will not have to sacrifice it as well as he is now no relation to the one put into play with the 1st Soulstoke.

Am I correct?

cklise says... Accepted answer #1

No one seems to have answered yet, but simply put, yes, you are entirely correct. When the Nova Chaser is sacrificed and Incandescent Soulstoke returns, it is a completely 'new' creature, with no memory of its prior state.

January 16, 2016 12:58 p.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #2

That's right. When an object changes zones it becomes a new game object with no relation to what it was before, minus a few exceptions that the game has in order to make things work properly. The Soulstoke that gets returned to the battlefield by the Champion ability is "different" than the one put onto the battlefield with the other Soulstoke's ability.

January 16, 2016 1:02 p.m.

Correct, whenever an object changes zones it becomes a new entity with no knowledge of its past existence, including the DTA of being sacrificed at the beginning of the next end step.

Note: when the second Incandescent Soulstoke returns to the battlefield, it will not have haste.

January 16, 2016 1:02 p.m.

jackofclubs87 says... #4

Thank you for confirming what I thought.

I was play testing my deck and I when came across this situation, I wanted to make sure I had understood it correctly.

January 16, 2016 1:45 p.m.

Tluff says... #5

My question is why would you want to do that?

You generally save Nova Chasers as one of 3 things in that once a soulstoke is out: A self restricted flickerwisp combined with a ball lightning, a way to protect soulstoke in response to a removal or wrath effect, or the way you described but with evoke. Also note that if you use soulstoke during your opponent's end step the cheated creature will not be sacced until your endstep giving you plenty of time to champion it even if you only have 1 out.

March 13, 2017 1:51 p.m.

Please don't revive threads from over a year ago. Make a new thread in the appropriate forum to discuss ideas/thoughts on this.

March 13, 2017 8:51 p.m.

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