Can Restoration Angel save a persistet Wood Elves with Cauldron Haze after a board wipe?
Asked by Motik 4 years ago
My opponent plays a Wakening Sun's Avatar with me having Restoration Angel and Wood Elves in play. I respond with a Cauldron Haze . Can I save the Elves from Dying to persist by flickering them with my Angel? How many ETB effects do I get in this scenario and why?. Thanks so much for the help in advance :).
Gidgetimer says... Accepted answer #2
Creatures being put into the graveyard for having 0 or less toughness is a state-based action. What happens each time a player would receive priority is that state-based actions are checked, if any state-based actions are performed they are checked again, once no state based actions are performed all triggered abilities that have triggered since the last time a player received priority are put on the stack, and then the player receives priority. Triggered abilities use the stack and all players must pass priority before they will resolve.
You will get a Wood Elves trigger and a Restoration Angel trigger but the Resto Angel trigger will not have anything to target and will not be put on the stack.
(So, halfway through typing I realized that Persist is a triggered ability and each Persist will have to resolve one at a time. This means that either the Wood Elves will come back, die, you will search for a forest, and then Resto angel will come back. Or Resto Angel will come back, not have a target for its trigger and lose it and then the Wood Elves will come back. I left the original half of my response in because I think it contains some important information to understand as well.)
August 31, 2019 12:41 p.m.
xtechnetia says... #3
Oops, I completely forgot to look at the toughness of Wood Elves in tandem with persist. Ignore my original answer.
August 31, 2019 12:42 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #4
xtechnetia: Whoa, Cauldron Haze doesn't work that way. Once the creature has persisted it is a new game object and, unless it has native persist, it no longer has persist.
August 31, 2019 12:44 p.m.
xtechnetia says... #5
Right. That was also my bad. This isn't my morning. :P
August 31, 2019 12:46 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #6
It is cool, we all have off days. I once told someone I was playing with that it was legal for them to use Sensei's Divining Top in the middle of a Chaos Warp resolution. I just want to make sure that the Rules Q&A has accurate information.
xtechnetia says... #1
When you use Cauldron Haze to give your creatures persist, after Wakening Sun's Avatar 's ETB trigger resolves, your creatures will be destroyed, then immediately returned to the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on each.
Both ETB effects on your creatures will be put on the stack simultaneously, and you can put them in whichever order you want. Regardless, assuming you use Restoration Angel 's flicker on your Wood Elves , it will come back without the -1/-1 counter, and another instance of Wood Elves' ETB trigger will be put onto the stack.
If for some reason Wood Elves then gets destroyed again before the turn ends, persist from Cauldron Haze still applies and means that it will return to the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter, triggering its ETB once more.
In total, you will thus have one instance of Resto Angel's ETB trigger, and a maximum of three instances of Wood Elves' ETB trigger, over the course of the turn.
August 31, 2019 12:32 p.m.