Caltrops and Sydri, Galvanic Genius
Asked by chosenone124 6 years ago
Suppose I have a Caltrops and Sydri, Galvanic Genius. My opponent attacks with a bunch of creatures. In response to the Caltrops triggers, I animate Caltrops and grant it Deathtouch and Lifelink.
After the Deathtouch/Lifelink ability resolves, my opponent destroys Caltrops with Lightning Bolt.
Does the damage from Caltrops still instantly destroy creatures and gain me life?
DRACULA150704 says... #2
Caltrops ability where it does 1 damage won't kill things because deathtouch has to be combat damage.
October 21, 2017 9:33 p.m.
SteelSentry says... #3
DRACULA150704 Deathtouch is any damage, not just combat damage.
October 21, 2017 9:46 p.m.
DRACULA150704 says... #4
SteelSentry read the rules- I quote
"702.2a. Deathtouch is a static ability. 702.2b. Any nonzero amount of combat damage assigned to a creature by a source with deathtouch is considered to be lethal damage, regardless of that creature's toughness."
It says combat damage or else if you gave Pestilence Demon deathtouch it could board wipe for 1 mana
October 21, 2017 9:48 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #5
DRACULA150704 read the rules- I quote
"702.2b A creature with toughness greater than 0 thats been dealt damage by a source with deathtouch since the last time state-based actions were checked is destroyed as a state-based action."
You can do exactly that thing with Pestilence Demon.
October 21, 2017 9:53 p.m.
SteelSentry says... #6
That's 702.2a. and 702.2c. You left out the actual 702.2b, "702.2b A creature with toughness greater than 0 thats been dealt damage by a source with deathtouch since the last time state-based actions were checked is destroyed as a state-based action. See rule 704."
702.2c covers combat damage with deathtouch, but according to 702.2b it is any damage. The point of 702.2c is for it's interaction with trample
October 21, 2017 9:53 p.m.
darkmatter32x says... #7
In conclusion. An animated caltrops with deathtouch and lifelink will trigger to all attacking creature. You gain 1 life for each attacking creature and they are destroyed.
October 21, 2017 11:46 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #8
Yes but the question was in regard to said Caltrops being hit by Lightning Bolt before tue trigger resolves, not whether deathtouch would kill or not.
October 22, 2017 12:08 a.m.
chosenone124 says... #10
If I wasn't clear, the Lightning Bolt is before the Caltrops damage triggers resolves but after the lifelink/deathtouch ability resolves
October 22, 2017 3:26 a.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #11
yeah, if that's the case then it would still kill them, but your opponent would have to intentionally let the deathtouch resolve before they cast the Bolt, they could just cast it before deathtouch resolves to kill it before it gains deathtouch, and I don't see why they wouldn't do that.
October 22, 2017 4:11 a.m.
You could also respond to the bolt by activating the lifelink/deathtouch ability again, provided you have enough mana. When Caltrops ability resolves it uses last known information to check whether Caltrops had deathtouch as it last existed on the battlefield, if some instance of the deathtouch ability has managed to resolve targeting it, your opponent will lose all their attackers.
October 22, 2017 5:43 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #13
If you need no further clarification please select an answer to remove this from the unanswered queue. Otherwise let us know what you are still unclear on.
October 22, 2017 3:48 p.m.
chosenone124 says... #14
Neotrup explains what I was trying to do much better. Thanks!
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #1
Yes, but your opponent would have to intentionally allow the deathtouch/lifelink ability to resolve when they could just bolt it before it resolves.
October 21, 2017 9:23 p.m.