where be the points?
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Posted on Nov. 11, 2015, 6:52 p.m. by r_type_one
aaand are they coming back?
Triforce-Finder says... #2
Maybe comments on decks could have a "thanks" button that is only visible for the owner of the deck? So far only accepted card suggestions are rewarded, not general advice.
So it's not just me who's frozen, ChiefBell is too? Another bug maybe?
November 13, 2015 1:15 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #3
Dammit, my comment got posted at the bottom of the page ... I'm just going to post it here again so people don't miss it.
EDIT:
Why don't we go the steam route?
Steam has a rating system called "helpful". Basically it is not as though that the review of a product is well written or well detailed, but if the review is helpful. You can have a 4 sentence review vs a 100 sentence review and have the 4 sentence be more helpful because it points out the number one feature that other users might not like that product.
This would be similar to an upvote button, but would be a button saying "is this helpful?" and it would designate a "yes" to the user who created it and upped their point count a little. There would be no "no" button. In fact, there wouldn't even be a yes button. There would just be a button asking "is this helpful?" and when you click it it would say "Thank you!"
The biggest thing here is that no where on the comment or thread would there be a little statistic saying how many people found it helpful (as opposed to steam showing those statistics). Those statistics I've found alter the readers opinions on the post and is more inclined to have the users who are in like opinion of the the common opinion of the post to display their opinion through the buttons rather than those who are not in like opinion not contribute at all.
The really prevents obvious point-hoarding, and focuses on constructive and useful information being presented to the community. And you know what? It will FINALLY be something that I can use to give people something who make excellent suggestions on my decks but don't actually suggest any cards. I'd go back to all the old posts on my decks and say "well that was helpful" and give them the pat on the back they deserve.
The other thing it prevents is humor spamming. An upvote button encourages spamming of comments that are just made for humor. However nothing about those are helpful, and thus the individual who makes them won't get any "pats on the back" for making them. We will still enjoy them as we always have, they just aren't helpful to the discussion at hand. This doubles as preventing points from being accumulated in threads, profiles and decks that really are just more like chat threads that don't provide anything useful to the community.
FancyTuesday suggested a tiered system. This is basically what every other forum does, and they introduce it like a title system, or an achievement system. You get a new, fancier, "more important" title added to your comments for everyone to see that you are a well respected member of this community. It would be shown like this:
yeaGO, "the site manager" says ...
or
Epochalyptik, "the thread organizer" says ...
So on and so forth. This would mean that we would have to create T/O relevant titles. Which I'm already brewing up. I'm thinking something related to goats and ornithopters as those are our two biggest symbols around here ;)
November 13, 2015 1:16 p.m. Edited.
The helpful idea isn't bad at all, in my opinion.
Though I don't mind the idea of comments being uprooted for humour because humour is no bad thing. You're not going to get a comment upvoted for going on about storm crow but you might if you say something genuinely witty.
Like this site does have content that extends beyond serious magic business.
November 13, 2015 1:19 p.m. Edited.
It's not a bad idea at all, though I have to say, I was looking forward to changing my title to 'the Goblin Overlord', but that can be relegated to a later day.
November 13, 2015 1:22 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #6
Steam does also have a smaller "X number of people found this funny" section for the reviews. Though once again, I'm reluctant to have a statistic for that be viewable as well.
November 13, 2015 1:23 p.m.
I like that system. Encouragement is what the community is for, so having that will boost people's morale and allow them to come back time and time again. :D
November 13, 2015 1:29 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #8
My points are also frozen, ChiefBell
honestly I just wish that changing one's title was available to all users
November 13, 2015 1:35 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit agreed. Maybe you could make it 'available to all upgraded users'? It would increase incentive to donate.
November 13, 2015 1:39 p.m.
Amen to that, the title thing seems trivial, but is a nice detail to have. I was astonished (yeah, exactly) when I saw my "Deckling" turned into "Deckspert" (still don't know why)
Partial or total title customization could be an interesting feature. Maybe something that has to be discussed personally with somebody in charge of that (to avoid obscene or utterly senseless things).
The I found this helpful button could be nice indeed, with no "dislike" counterpart, thus avoiding the aforementioned toxic/offensive behavior.
November 13, 2015 1:46 p.m.
Technically, there is a way to change your title by changing the coding, but I would highly recommend you to not go that route because it's highly illogical.
~ Live long and prosper
November 13, 2015 1:50 p.m.
@CheeseBro You have been and always will be my friend. >:| (Vulcan face)
But I digress, the "helpful button" option seems like it would do well.
November 13, 2015 1:58 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #14
Interesting fact, there is a small town in Alberta named Vulcan. The town is a high tourist attraction because of all the Star Trek stuff they have on there. My grandfather is on good terms with the guy who runs the best restaurant there ... the name of which I cannot remember. Vulcan Pizzeria I think. Don't know.
November 13, 2015 2:06 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #15
@yeaGO: If you're still looking for #1 it is likely Blind_Guardian, who is listed as #4 but still has his original points total while the 3 that were above him have all reset. It was pointed out earlier in the thread that ranks did not shuffle around when the top seats were ejected, rank only seems to recalculate after your points bug out.
I'm all for a user/comment "upvote" system, but I'd like to reiterate how vital even the most trivial actions are to the health of the community. Users spitballing decks, chatting up in the Blind Eternities, and leaving little messages on each others' walls commending them on their excellent taste in music are all good things and should be reflected in any sort of reputation system. It's content that keeps people coming back, they give the impression of an active community, it matters. The current (well, when it was working) system was good for that, if nothing else; everything you did for the website, it seemed, gave you some points. From posting on someone's wall to fixing a card entry.
Now, many have said that system should be tweaked a bit so that the points awarded reflect the effort/benefit of some actions and I agree. I'm just saying everything should still count, at least a little.
@Femme_Fatale: That is something like what I had in mind and I know where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that approach flows as well with the layout here at TO. A lot of forums have a dedicated user info area where a title like that would go with an avatar, post count, regdate etc, but I think a different format would be necessary here.
Off the top of my head... Alright so we have titles already, right? And they already change with points, from Deckling to Deckspert to Custom. So you have 0-500 points Deckling, 500-2500 points Deckspert, 2500-5000 points Top-Decker, 5000-10000 Literal Wizard, and 10000+ custom. Not those titles obviously, those are stupid. Have it display where it shows now, and maybe include it as the "title" field in the HTML of the user name (the text that pops up when you mouse over something like this parenthetical).
As I mentioned before, this system would be friendlier to newcomers, since they don't have to play catch-up with someone who's been posting for years to break into the top tier for title customization. I wouldn't even have points display to other users, just have the title reflect their approximate point total.
November 13, 2015 2:11 p.m. Edited.
Femme_Fatale says... #16
Fuck blind_Guardian's animated username. Excuse me while I go make a code to implement it on this page to remove his animated username.
November 13, 2015 2:13 p.m.
It would also be more fair to those like me that are trying to balance school, a job (that doesn't involve internet connection), and a girlfriend.
Girlfriend: Hey, want to hang out? wink
Me: Yeah. How about tonight?
GF: How about now eyebrow raise
Me: Sorry no, I'm trying to provide constructive criticism to some people on a social networking site devoted to a trading card game so I can rank up to gain a title.
GF:
Don't click unless you are OK with swearing Show
I can see how that wouldn't go down great...
November 13, 2015 2:18 p.m. Edited.
ThisIsBullshit says... #19
Yo Femme we're trying to have a productive conversation here
November 13, 2015 2:30 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #20
- 0: Ornithopther Scrapling
- 10: Baby Goat
- 50: Noobie Thopter
- 100: Goat Token
- 200: 0/2 Ornithopter
- 400: Goat of the Trading Post
- 600: Thopter Engineer
- 800: Springjack Goat
- 1,000: Thopter Affinity
- 2,500: Scape Goat
- 5,000: Ensouled Thopter | Allow upgraded users to have custom usernames.
- 7,500: Flinged Goat
- 10,000: Master Thoptificier | Allow upgraded users to have custom titles.
- 33,333: Pathbreaker Goat | Allow upgraded users to have custom profiles.
- 66,666: Ornithopter Juggernaut
- 100,000: Goat God
November 13, 2015 2:41 p.m.
FAMOUSWATERMELON says... #21
Yes. A thousand times yes. Let's get this rolling :)
November 13, 2015 2:46 p.m.
NOOOOO. I could never get to 10k XD
And femme, with 33,333 what do you mean by custom profiles? Also, ILLUMINATI
November 13, 2015 2:56 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #23
@rorofat: I believe the implication is that other features presently enjoyed by everyone would be bound to tier and account upgrade status, such as the use of HTML on our user pages. That's a whole other kettle of fish that I don't support, at least not as presented.
I wouldn't limit custom titles to upgraded users. It is, after all, such a trivial thing, and a non-upgraded user that has a healthy amount of points has certainly contributed enough to earn that one minor privilege.
November 13, 2015 3:16 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #24
Check my profile rorofat. Unless you are on mobile, then you won't be able to see it (or at least you shouldn't be able to see my custom profile if you are on mobile.)
November 13, 2015 3:20 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #25
If we allow everyone to have their own custom title once they reach a certain threshold, I'll have to change the tiers a bit. It is pointless to have tier titles come after the custom title grant because everyone can change their custom title to the tiers that they cannot accomplish. Give me a moment and I'll edit the tiers a bit.
November 13, 2015 3:23 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #26
I'm pretty sure rorofat knows what a custom profile is, given that he has a customized profile. The thing is putting a limit on "profile customization" has such broad implications that he probably assumed you meant something that wasn't the HTML/CSS editing that's practically ubiquitous here.
Not that such a system wouldn't work, or even be very good for the site (though I'd lower the threshold massively). It would just be a lot of work to implement correctly.
November 13, 2015 3:29 p.m. Edited.
Femme_Fatale says... #27
- 0: Ornithopther Scrapling
- 50: Baby Goat
- 100: 0/2 Ornithopter
- 200: Goat Token
- 400: Ensouled Thopter
- 600: Goat of the Trading Post
- 800: Thopter-gineer
- 1,000: Springjack Goat
- 2,000: Master Thopterficier
- 4,000: Goat Shepherd
- 6,000: Ornithopter Juggernaut
- 8,000: Goat God
- 10,000: Allow users to have custom titles.
- 25,000: Allow users to have custom profiles.
November 13, 2015 3:31 p.m. Edited.
What about users who already have a changed username? Are they grandfathered into this new system?
November 13, 2015 3:38 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #29
Seeing as this is all hypothetical spitballing exclusively being done by people that will not be implementing this or any other system, I'm gonna say... No. All previously customized titles will be changed to "Hamburgler" and will be stuck that way until the user returns to the rank where titles can be changed.
Also, there will be a 50% chance that attempting to change any part of your profile will reset your points total and set a randomly chosen Train song to autoplay on your profile.
November 13, 2015 3:49 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #30
I removed that from this second list JWiley129.
FancyTuesday, please give other people's thoughts some more respect. I understand that you are not comfortable with other people's opinions on what we think is best for this site, but that is no need to constantly attack whatever you don't like.
November 13, 2015 3:58 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #31
Please, it was a simple jest. I meant only that it strikes me as silly to start asking about the fine details regarding a restructuring that is at this point entirely hypothetical. It's like asking "what are we gonna have on our pizza?" when the chef hasn't even said he's making pizza.
Saying I'm "not comfortable with other people's opinions on what we think is best for the site" is a pretty bold leap, though I applaud how you paint yourself as compassionate while lambasting me.
November 13, 2015 4:05 p.m. Edited.
JakeHarlow says... #32
Uh, I'll throw in a thought here...
I don't much like the custom profile pages because it causes big loading issues for certain platforms (like the phone, tablets, etc). I tend to avoid custom deck pages and profile pages with big, busy backsplash images and lots of animated and/or other heavy code work because I get sick of waiting.
That's my two cents on that.
November 13, 2015 4:15 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #33
You are doing it way too often FancyTuesday, on pretty much any issue that comes up that deals with new features or whether or not existing features should be restricted.
Hence why people should be implementing proper code to restrict their alterations on forms of technology that don't have the power to load them JakeHarlow. People don't do this, and it is one of the many reasons why I refuse to do my profile tutorial now. I've done that with mine, though I don't own an iPhone or tablet so I don't know if it still is restricted on those or not.
November 13, 2015 4:26 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #35
There is one thing I do think that placing a tiered system in allows us to do: And that is remove the point reset after a period of inactivity. I don't know if this was already removed or not as I haven't heard a peep about this in a long while, but if one was inactive for I think, a month or so, their points would go down to 0 to let someone else a chance to get their title change. When the top people didn't become inactive after a time, yeago had to lower the threshold to top 400(I think it was? I don't know if this held solid). Allowing the tiered title system completely removes all those concerns.
November 13, 2015 4:36 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #36
Going through Blind Guardian's top 100 deck (that deck actually has a use!) I came to the conclusion that the amount of people who were above 10k in points is drastically slim. I shall edit that graph again.
November 13, 2015 4:51 p.m.
Triforce-Finder says... #37
Never happened to me despite being away for more than a year. Left with something around 5k(I think?), came back to the same number. Only the rank went down, from top200 to none. After a little bit of activity it became something 13.000-ish. Wasn't really active much since my break and not gaining enough to be gunning for a custom title, so I can't say much about the progression since coming back.
TL;DR Points didn't drop, rank did.
November 13, 2015 4:52 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #38
I'm doing what too often? Expressing my opinion? Have I been disrespectful in doing so? Just because I disagree with you does not mean I am attacking you, I have gone to great lengths to be respectful and clear in my replies both here and the uh... one other topic I can think of where I was giving my opinion on website policy.
I want you to look at the reply you've called me out on very closely. What is it, exactly, that I'm doing? Am I attacking some position? JWiley129 asked a question regarding a system like it's already a given that this is what's happening, I made a joke to put that question into perspective. I did not smack him down for taking a position on something like HTML or a new user points system, a points system I've done nothing but support and try to help outline in this thread along with you and others.
This thread isn't about HTML or my past disagreements with you or other members, and I beg you to point out where I've been anything but cordial in those discussions even in the face of backhanded insults like the one you've laid down here. Not here of course, this is not the place. I'd also love the opportunity to correct what seems to be a pretty severe misunderstanding on your part of exactly what it is I think about user HTML policy.
November 13, 2015 4:53 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #39
- 0: Thopter Scrapling
- 10: Baby Goat
- 50: 0/2 Thopter
- 100: Goat Token
- 200: Ensouled Thopter
- 400: Springjack Goat
- 600: Master Thopterficier
- 800: Goat Shepherd
- 1,250: Ornithopter Juggernaut
- 2,500: Goat God
- 5,000: Allow users to have custom titles.
- 10,000: Allow users to have custom profiles.
November 13, 2015 5:01 p.m.
Femme_Fatale I quick glanced and misread 5,000 as "Custom titties"
November 13, 2015 5:03 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit says... #42
After 5,000 points please check out the nearest plastic surgeon, courtesy of the wonderful community of TappedOut.
P.S. post pics
November 13, 2015 5:08 p.m.
ThisIsBullshit Well I saw, Femme_Fatale's name on the post so it all added up.
November 13, 2015 5:16 p.m.
I still just think upvoting users is an elegant answer to the problem. It doesnt require a lot of change at all really and fits in with the ethos of what were trying to do. Rather than hunting around for uprooted comments you could just see if a user is generally respected or not which seems a tad more efficient?
Its not mutually exclusive though. You could have something to do with points from comments and a more straightforward profile +1 type thing.
November 13, 2015 5:18 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #45
Or you could get a wearable pair of titties from RealGurl. Custom made to your preferences.
November 13, 2015 5:20 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #46
I definitely do think we can do these ideas in tangent ChiefBell. We could change the wording to be "Thank this user" instead of "upvote".
November 13, 2015 5:22 p.m.
FancyTuesday says... #47
I like "upvoting users" or some functional equivalent as a part of tiered system like what's been hashed out in this thread. I don't like it so much, from a UI perspective, as just a raw number displayed like deck votes. That leads to too much importance being put on that exact number and getting people to vote for you.
November 13, 2015 5:29 p.m.
Out of all of the suggestions I've read while lurking,ChiefBell's is the best. A simple +1 on a profile, or an upvote on a particular comment, would help a lot. This may not be plausible, but enabling some sort of filter in a thread to show the Top rated comments, so you don't have to read an entire thread would be cool too. Just my thoughts.
November 13, 2015 5:30 p.m.
@JWiley129 Thanks to Femme_Fatale, I learned the code to dismiss coding for mobile devices.
@Everyone else: Why can't we all just along? Anybody want a peanut?
November 13, 2015 5:52 p.m.
Also like autocorrect on Macs is super awful. It's just the worst. Why is upvote always corrected to uproot. Just stop.
Femme_Fatale says... #1
Why don't we go the steam route?
Steam has a rating system called "helpful". Basically it is not as though that the review of a product is well written or well detailed, but if the review is helpful. You can have a 4 sentence review vs a 100 sentence review and have the 4 sentence be more helpful because it points out the number one feature that other users might not like that product.
This would be similar to an upvote button, but would be a button saying "is this helpful?" and it would designate a "yes" to the user who created it and upped their point count a little. There would be no "no" button. In fact, there wouldn't even be a yes button. There would just be a button asking "is this helpful?" and when you click it it would say "Thank you!"
The biggest thing here is that no where on the comment or thread would there be a little statistic saying how many people found it helpful (as opposed to steam showing those statistics). Those statistics I've found alter the readers opinions on the post and is more inclined to have the users who are in like opinion of the the common opinion of the post to display their opinion through the buttons rather than those who are not in like opinion not contribute at all.
The really prevents obvious point-hoarding, and focuses on constructive and useful information being presented to the community. And you know what? It will FINALLY be something that I can use to give people something who make excellent suggestions on my decks but don't actually suggest any cards. I'd go back to all the old posts on my decks and say "well that was helpful" and give them the pat on the back they deserve.
The other thing it prevents is humor spamming. An upvote button encourages spamming of comments that are just made for humor. However nothing about those are helpful, and thus the individual who makes them won't get any "pats on the back" for making them. We will still enjoy them as we always have, they just aren't helpful to the discussion at hand. This doubles as preventing points from being accumulated in threads, profiles and decks that really are just more like chat threads that don't provide anything useful to the community.
FancyTuesday suggested a tiered system. This is basically what every other forum does, and they introduce it like a title system, or an achievement system. You get a new, fancier, "more important" title added to your comments for everyone to see that you are a well respected member of this community. It would be shown like this:
yeaGO, "the site manager" says ...
or
Epochalyptik, "the thread organizer" says ...
So on and so forth. This would mean that we would have to create T/O relevant titles. Which I'm already brewing up. I'm thinking something related to goats and ornithopters as those are our two biggest symbols around here ;)
November 13, 2015 1:14 p.m.