Prowess or Blitz Hub
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Posted on Sept. 4, 2020, 3:41 p.m. by GINGERBATE
Since every color combo except green/black can be prowess, and since there are 5 prowess decks of different colors in the Modern tournament top 8 and 2 in the Pioneer tournament top 8, can we get a Prowess hub for decks? Or a Blitz hub to also include fast Heroic decks and others with a similar theme?
I second this. Or a modern blitz tag. The deck has enough of a showing in the format that it should get a tag
September 4, 2020 4:40 p.m.
GINGERBATE says... #4
Thanks Deino, I didn't realize. And shadow63, you're right. Blitz would probably work better for the website, as it fits Prowess and a few others that don't have an existing hub that fits.
September 4, 2020 4:52 p.m.
Daveslab2022 says... #5
You know the Aggro tag describes these decks perfectly, right? You don’t need hubs for every mechanic. They are all aggro decks.
September 5, 2020 10:52 a.m.
Daveslab2022 - That is not the standard for evaluating whether a tag should exist. Otherwise we would have only a few tabs--aggro, combo, midrange, tribal, various color combinations, etc.--which would not be very useful as a tool for searching decks.
The standard I have generally seen applied is "is the specific tag making a big splash in some recognized meta?" That seems to be evaluated by looking at (a) whether the deck is making a splash in the Top 8, or (b) whether the deck is very popular at casual tables.
Caw Blade, for example, is a tag because it was a popular competitive archetype in Standard, satisfying the first requirement. Werewolf is a tag because it is a popular casual deck, though not a particularly competitive one.
If Prowess is currently making a splash in a meta, perhaps it should have its own tag.
September 5, 2020 12:27 p.m. Edited.
Daveslab2022 says... #7
Caerwyn I understand there are more criteria involved with hubs, but all these prowess decks play a large amount of burn spells. Im just arguing that burn and aggro fit these decks well enough that it’s definitely not a new archetype but any means.
September 5, 2020 2:29 p.m.
I feel like people have been asking for this to be made into a hub since the mechanic was first introduced in Khans-block. Which, if nothing else, gives the request some validity. "Lots" of people seem to think it should be a hub.
I personally have used the "storm" hub as a joke for most of my Prowess decks so far. But, that means that I have built multiple "prowess" decks, and I personally consider them my "prowess decks." Even if it's not specifically competitively-viable, people build around this mechanic, at least casually, and they obviously want to search T/O for other decks that also build around that same mechanic.
I don't know if "blitz" is played in other formats besides pauper, but I could see how Blitz would be considered a "prowess" deck. If so, why not change the name of the "blitz" hub, to "blitz/prowess," just to make things easier on everybody?
And if for some reason that doesn't make sense, then I'm going to finally weigh in on this topic and say, "I think Prowess deserves a hub, too. Just because so many people want it to be."
September 5, 2020 6:08 p.m.
GINGERBATE says... #9
Indeed, I've played some form of prowess since Khans standard. If you search mtgtop8 for decks in all formats that have made it to the top 8 of any ranked competitive tournament in Modern, Pioneer or any other format, the sheer number of lists with 4 Monastery Swiftspears and 4 Soul-Scar Mages is staggering. And those lists can vary widely from color combos to creature choices, and they go waaay back from Khans of Tarkir to the present.
This tells me that (1.) there's a huge meta for the Prowess theme specifically, and (2.) there's enough variations to make it a theme, not just a single meta deck. And that's just in ranked competitive play.
Here on the site, a quick deck search for the word "Prowess" turns up the maximum number of 10 pages of decks, and that only goes back 3 weeks. Many are mostly red, but some are blue/white, green/white, even blue/black. If there's 200 prowess decks being built or updated every 3 weeks here, how many more live on this site?
I don't put tags on my Prowess or Heroic or hybrid decks because none of the existing tags fit. I want to search specifically for this obviously popular theme to see what others have brewed, but if I have to look through every decklist under "Aggro" or "Spellslinger", it's an absolute waste of time. That's what accurate hubs are for.
Flooremoji says... #2
I believe that there are already hubs that work well for prowess decks, the best fit being Spellslinger. I personally do not believe that a Prowess hub is necescary.
September 4, 2020 3:55 p.m.