No Jank Hub?

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Posted on July 18, 2015, 8:09 p.m. by Sqummanator

But what if I want to see all the janky combos people are putting together? :(

C'mon TappedOut, give us a Jank hub!

Havok.Bane says... #2

I second this motion!

July 18, 2015 8:11 p.m.

ThisIsBullshit says... #3

Casual works pretty well for that sort of thing

July 18, 2015 8:14 p.m.

NoPantsParade says... #4

There's already a casual hub. Pretty much the same thing.

July 18, 2015 8:46 p.m.

Sqummanator says... #5

But I want competitive Jank....

July 18, 2015 9:10 p.m.

Too many people would confuse it for the Junk hub. (Which surprisingly, has nothing to do with bad decks. Lol)

July 18, 2015 9:12 p.m.

ThisIsBullshit says... #7

Wait wait competitive jank? That's not even a thing...

July 18, 2015 9:23 p.m.

NoPantsParade says... #8

You are aware that the two contradict each other, right? There's already casual and that should be enough, really.

July 18, 2015 9:27 p.m.

I think maybe he was talking about a hub like the color combination hubs/Infinite Combo/Infect or whatever.

July 18, 2015 9:34 p.m.

Sqummanator says... #10

That IS what I was going for. :D

July 18, 2015 9:41 p.m.

NoPantsParade says... #11

I know, but there's a already a Casual hub. There's no need for a Jank hub if there's already Casual.

July 18, 2015 9:43 p.m.

I thought everyone was on the same page in that respect. It's just that the hub may not be necessary.

What would a Jank hub offer that couldn't be sufficiently addressed by other hubs?

I need to hear good arguments for these sorts of additions, particularly because there is, as canterlotguardian said, a strong chance that people won't be able to tell the difference between Jank and Junk.

July 18, 2015 9:45 p.m.

Sqummanator says... #13

The reason a Jank hub is needed is due to the fact there is no clear place to go for silly combos that are inefficient on purpose. While the Combo hub may cover cute interactions that interact in a competitive manner, and the Infinite Combo hub covers decks that have the ability to go infinite in a tidy fashion, there's no hub for me to go to that I can find awkward 3-4+ card combos that may or may not explode. For instance, if I went searching for a King Macar, the Gold-Cursed untap engine, I wouldn't be able to easily locate decks that would work with Macar; either with him in it or with an engine in place waiting for a win-con. Furthermore, Jank decks provide a means to explore certain weird card interactions. A great example of this is the Amulet of Vigor combo deck that premiered at Pro Tour Fate Reforged. Additionally, I can't just find a deck that only works in specific circumstances. An example of this sort of deck includes Treasure Hunt + Zombie Infestation .

The difference between Jank and Junk is easily depicted thanks to the incredible Hub system already in place. when a user types in "Junk" to the hub system, they are given the synonyms "G/W/B" and Abzan. That itself distinguishes it from Jank decks, which are solely about weird card interactions and silly combos.

Also, a Jank hub might not necessarily be necessary; but neither is Jank itself, and that's the point. :)

July 18, 2015 10:18 p.m.

NoPantsParade says... #14

But there's a Casual hub which is where silly decks normally go.

July 18, 2015 10:20 p.m. Edited.

Regarding your second paragraph, you're severely overestimating the average user. I'm unconvinced that Jank is sufficiently obvious in meaning that it wouldn't be misused as a Junk hub or that it would be used properly in the vast majority of cases. Whenever we add a slang-based hub, I have to think about whether the average user is sufficiently familiar with the game to understand the purpose of that hub. Just today I proposed the deletion of the Team America hub, which was filled with America decks and not with BUG tempo decks, which is what Team America actually refers to.

Also, I think casual is sufficient for the purpose you describe. Almost all Jank decks that I can picture would also be appropriately labeled Casual if the hubs were both used appropriately.

That said, I'm certainly still open to discussion on the matter.

We should probably also have a description of the hubs posted somewhere...

July 18, 2015 10:27 p.m.

Decks like that often state in the deck title that silly shenanigans are contained within, anyways. Plus, as stated above, there's the Combo/Infinite Combo hubs.

July 18, 2015 10:28 p.m.

Sqummanator says... #17

My only counter to the Casual Hub argument that comes to mind is Amulet of Vigor. The deck is at it's heart "Jank"-y, as it requires a very specific set-up, and there's not a whole lot of wiggle room in the combo. And yet, the combo works, and is hilariously good at what it does. That being said, a Jank hub would help non-casual players refine their decks and hopefully get out of the Jank state that their deck is in. (For instance, I might think of a combo that I want refined, but am not sure how to do it).

With regards to Magic slang and the average user on this site, you're absolutely correct. There will be misuse of the hub system. However, you proposed an excellent solution that would simply take time to implement. I think a brief description of the hubs would be very helpful for people looking for decks, not just posting. This would be an excellent way to help newer players learn some of the slang, which (at least, with my time here) I have found to be the core of this site: learning.

July 18, 2015 11:09 p.m.

Rather than an entirely new 'Hub', instead, how about adding an option to search multiple Hubs? In reference to the OP, this could be a search for decks that contain 'Casual'+'Combo'. Another example could be 'Budget'+'Competitive' (a near-misnomer I know; but work with me here), or maybe even 3 Hub combinations, like say... 'Budget'+'Tribal'+'Mono-White'.. The list can go on & on, but you get the idea. Combine this searching for decks with a specific card(s) and/or within a specific Format, and you have a seriously powerful tool for sifting through the hundreds of janky brews this site has to offer..

As a side note, I think if another 'Hub' were to be added, it would have to be for 'Troll' decks..

July 19, 2015 1:16 a.m.

We can't rely on a hub explanation page to eliminate or even really reduce the number of miscategorized decks. It's pretty obvious that providing extra information to users doesn't really work the way you'd want it to. How many people post rules questions in the forums despite the enormous banner above the new thread field explicitly telling them not to? And that's right next to the implementation. A separate page would do little to stop the less astute or less experienced users/players from misusing hubs, and they're the problem group here.

July 19, 2015 11:54 a.m.

yeaGO says... #20

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July 19, 2015 9:01 p.m.

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