A little PSA
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Posted on March 12, 2015, 9:47 a.m. by MollyMab
I keep seeing threads on the same things so here is a little PSA.
-If you have a misprint, provide a picture. If it is isn't majorly miscut (ie massivly off centre, showing another card etc), it probably won't be worth anything extra.
-Include a link to the deck in your post, so someone else doesn't have to do it for you.
-Stop trying to take a good deck and budget. "Oh but I can play putrid leech over goyf" "Great, now you have to balance fetch lands, shocks, having the right mana, and having a G/B creature out turn 2 and be willing to protect it by paying life". Find another deck or look for another angle to attack from.
I don't think he was saying to stop making budget decks, I think his point was if you have to make so many budget substitutions you may as well just make it an original deck - which to me sounds perfectly reasonable.
Granted that's just my interpretation. I could be way off.
March 12, 2015 10:23 a.m.
Budget decos are fine. I am talking about taking a top tier deck and budgetting it. See the death and taxes thread posted today. I am currently writing a budgeting article about how to budget properly
March 12, 2015 10:31 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #5
No, he's(she?) referring mainly to the popular Putrid Leech discard token build that tries to run Sorin, Solemn Visitor to counteract the loss of life. Basically the message that is trying to be brought out is that you can't replace good cards with shit cards and expect them to work. In other words, budget decks don't work and shouldn't be built. If you want a cheap deck, make an entirely new one. As a brand new archetype generally doesn't have nor occasionally need the well known format defining staples that chuck up the price.
March 12, 2015 10:34 a.m.
MindAblaze says... #6
I disagree with you a bit there Femme. Budgeting requires cards to perform similar functions at (usually) somewhat lower efficiency (like running Mind Shatter instead of Mind Twist.) It doesn't mean Budget decks shouldn't be built but rather that you can't just cram a card in the colors and mana cost in and expect it to work the same.
March 12, 2015 11:15 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #7
Okay, "shouldn't be built" was the wrong words. More like, you most likely won't get anywhere when it comes to budgeting, and you should just build a non-budgeted deck that is in your price range.
March 12, 2015 11:21 a.m.
EndStepTop says... #8
Femme_Fatale he's right from a competitive stand point, it's a downgrade to the deck and ultimately a liability. It doesn't mean don't be creative but that ddck simply isn't as strong as the T1 variant.
March 12, 2015 11:57 a.m.
LeaPlath: I think this came across poorly.
Not everyone knows how to upload pictures.
Not everyone knows how to link decks.
Not everyone has money.
We have lots of new users, and users from all sorts of backgrounds. We can't assume that everyone knows how to do everything. To ignore that and complain about these people is to miss the point of this website.
March 12, 2015 12:03 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #10
This is a reason that I think the next thing the modern primer needs is a "budget alternatives" section.
Replacing something with something else that's a little worse that can perform a similar function with the intention to replace it with the genuine article is the proper way to budget.
March 12, 2015 12:19 p.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #11
Alternatively, saying "if you want actual decent discussion regarding viable top tier decks go to another website" doesn't seem okay either. Also, there is that freaking comment primer that we have people read, right?
March 12, 2015 12:30 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #12
People don't really learn anything from that fluffybunnypants. It is very easy to forget it and actually finding a reliable tutorial on here is nigh impossible for new users. Not too mention that what it actually does teach doesn't prepare users in how to use this entire site.
March 12, 2015 12:35 p.m.
SimicPower says... #13
Budget top tier decks aren't always awful. They will always be worse than the non-budget deck of course, but it doesn't mean the deck has to suck. Just not be quite as top tier.
March 12, 2015 12:36 p.m.
fluffybunnypants - I never said top tier discussion should be elsewhere. Are you confusing me saying 'don't leave out the new guys' with 'don't talk about high level play'. The two can coexist. Realise who's not a Spike, and leave them be. Let them play budget. There's a time and a place. I don't give the same feedback to everyone. Moderation is key.
March 12, 2015 12:42 p.m.
vampirelazarus says... #15
The comment tutorial isnt hard to find...... Its underneath every comment box :P
March 12, 2015 1:32 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #16
Like anyone ever knows that it is there x.x
I didn't even know that it was there!
March 12, 2015 1:39 p.m.
I want to +1 ChiefBell's first post so hard.
I am, in person an elitist. I disagree with people about how to almost everything. That said, if I do not like something on the internet, I avoid it. I do not assume the internet will shape itself around me.
Think about the userbase. Some users might be 13 with no money and limited experience. Would you say all of that to that kid in person? I am sorry, but if you answered yes, you are a bit of a jerk. If you said no, then you made my point.
Some people in the world play magic for FUN. Some people want to have a similar to modern experience without the expense.
I mean your last statement essentially says, "if you are going to netdeck, net deck right". To me that translates to "if you are going to be boring, be boring my way."
So have fun with your perfect posts and super creative net decks man.
I do not usually flame on here as older members would attest to, but seriously man.
March 12, 2015 2:05 p.m.
notamardybum says... #18
the tutorials may be a bit hard to find, but whoever updated the comment box made it WAY easier to do this crap.
March 12, 2015 2:34 p.m.
libraryjoy says... #19
I have to admit, I've only been using this site for a few months, and the formatting tips below the comment box have been a life-saver. I still refer to them regularly. I haven't figured out the image posting thing (it's not in the short tips), but fortunately, I haven't needed to post images.
So whoever put them there, thanks! Every site has its quirks, but I've found this to be more user-friendly than most.
March 12, 2015 3:16 p.m.
Mmmmm, tasty tasty debate.
So. What I am referring to looking at a top tier deck like, lets say, Junk and going "I can't afford Lilis, goyfs or bobs. So I'll replace them with Necrogen Mists, Putrid Leach and Pain Seer". That doesn't work. You end up with a substandard deck.
Good budgeting is going like "I can't afford Lilis, goyfs and bobs, so I am now looking at a different angle to attack.", then you can go for a more standard build, something more mavricky that splashes black for discard and removal, something that aims to go big and over most of the cards played in modern, like a GB rock deck from Lorwyn type era.
March 12, 2015 6:28 p.m.
So?
Like I said before - just let people play the game they want to play. Unless they've specifically requested criticism I just let them be without hassling them. I feel the pain you do when people try to replace goyf with God knows what. But I never say anything to call them out unless they've asked for feedback.
Sometimes you just have to let casual players be casual. That's not a bad thing necessarily.
March 12, 2015 6:32 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #22
@ notamardybum and libraryjoy: Most forms of site updates are done purely by yeaGO. He's the one who runs this site. Small things however, like ones not really related to code, can be done by any of our admins. Which is really only Epoch and Chief right now.
Femme_Fatale says... #2
And LeaPlath's competitive nature ignores the common nature of T/O. Telling people to stop making budget decks is like telling T/O to get a new userbase. Most of the people on here are those looking for something new, fun, jank and budget. We seem to mainly draw the casual community after all.
The other stuff is just more evidence that I should write a tutorial for this place.
Buuuuuuut .... spoilers.
March 12, 2015 9:55 a.m.