Why people?
Standard forum
Posted on Sept. 10, 2014, 10:40 a.m. by BlackyMTG
Every 2 minutes I see at least 3 Mono Green/Some sort of green monsters deck and they are all exactly the same, why do you guys keep wasting your time creating a decklist that's already been seen a million times? Be creative, be new, be different... You guys are mad about the new rotation set-up, but it's your fault. You guys choose to keep on using the same top tier decks over and over and over again... You don't need to make anymore decks win by playing Courser of Kruphix , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , and Genesis Hydra anymore... I'd like to thank VampireArmy, GlistenerAgent, and TheGamer for keeping it real and creative. I'm sure there are others and I thank them too.
Since when was genesis hydra an overplayed staple.....
September 10, 2014 10:48 a.m.
@vampirelazarus I'm not complaining, I'm explaining what they're doing to MTG...
September 10, 2014 10:48 a.m.
@EmblemMan since it's in 3/4ths of the decks played at my LGS and I'm sure tons of others...Not to mention every other deckcycled deck in standard...
September 10, 2014 10:51 a.m.
People enjoy playing the decks they like. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
September 10, 2014 10:56 a.m.
Well, I want to play RDW (since it was my first deck), but it's pretty hard to make a COMPETITIVE deck, that is different from any other RDW deck.... :D
September 10, 2014 10:58 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #9
Devotion to green is currently 4% of the meta... seems like an extreme statement.
September 10, 2014 11 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #10
Also, Genesis Hydra is one of the best ways to play something to be uncounterable. It doesn't matter if they counter the Hydra, and they can't counter the permanent you fetch with it. It's a card you play for free. It's dirt-cheap for the effect, and pretty common as well, and if you play it into a Polukranos, you've got a pretty intimidating board state for what essentially amounts to 6 mana. Bearing in mind you're complaining about mono-green decks in the meta when the meta is changing in, literally, two weeks is sort of silly. The game is changing to favor tri-color heavily, so your complaint is useless and so are you. Just kidding about that last part. I think, if anything, you're going to see RUG running Genesis Hydras hoping to trip into Savage Knuckleblade, Surrak Dragonclaw, Temur Ascendancy, Bear's Companion, or some other HUGE threat. Surrak is especially nasty since he enters before the Hydra resolves, so it makes the Hydra uncounterable. In short, the game is changing, be patient.
September 10, 2014 11:06 a.m.
MinscAndBoo says... #11
Mono-green is the new netdeck? Man, I've been away too long...
September 10, 2014 11:07 a.m.
@fluffybunnypants that's the Pro meta, even with net deckers that's a drastically different meta than most people face at FNM
September 10, 2014 11:10 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #13
I don't think you guys understand the complaint he's addressing here. I don't think he's saying "Quit playing Mono G", I think he's saying "Stop making Mono G decks on T/O that are all the exact same." And he's got a point. Why make a decklist on T/O that's literally the same as a hundred other decks?
September 10, 2014 11:11 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #14
At least that's what I gathered from this thread.
September 10, 2014 11:12 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #15
This is why I keep most of my decks private.
September 10, 2014 11:12 a.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #16
FNM I went to a couple of weekends back was full of net decks from high school kids (not joking) that had money to burn. Black devotion knocked me round one, round two beat a boros burn, round three lost to green fatties, round four lost to Izzet Artifacts and round five lost to a boros aggro deck. I was playing my then Chandra burn deck. Point is, net decking is real and you'll have to deal with the fact you will see them.
September 10, 2014 11:17 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #17
When you play against a kid who's just gotten out of high school, and you're explaining triggers, the stack, and how it works with his 500 dollar deck, you realize you might be playing a net deck.
September 10, 2014 11:19 a.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #18
Yeah, it was lame. No really original decks outside of a few which unfortunately I didn't get to play against. I would have felt less bad about losing if the decks weren't copy and paste. To be fair, two of my opponents were adults closer to my age (27). But there were a lot of young people there.
September 10, 2014 11:23 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #19
One of them played a Banishing Light against my Polis Crusher. Twice.
September 10, 2014 11:28 a.m.
vampirelazarus says... #20
Magic is a game. In games you have competition. In competition you have a meta. People who make the same deck and win with it are not causing any problems to the game, they are merely playing the game.
September 10, 2014 11:28 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #23
Now, vampirelazarus, I think we have two distinct conversations here. Someone's complaining about deck archetypes existing at all, whereas some of us are complaining about people playing decks significantly above their skill level in regards to mechanics simply by purchasing a deck list. I have no problem playing against any archetype (though if I play against two or three in a night, I tend to roll my eyes and say "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORED", not as a dig against my opponent, just my own petty annoyance), but I do have a problem with people playing a deck they don't have the comprehension to play. It may be an easy win, but I don't want an easy win. I want a test of skill coupled with luck to make a memorable game.
September 10, 2014 11:35 a.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #24
Maybe so, but the point of the thread is that there needs to be more variety. The new format hopefully will help with this problem in FNM anyway.
September 10, 2014 11:35 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #25
The biggest reason I hope people copy/paste decks is so they can playtest them to get used to them.
September 10, 2014 11:48 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #26
Rasta_Viking29, Where's the love? I'd like to think I'm not whining, rather, contributing to a productive discourse about the nature of deck building instead of archetypes that annoy me.
September 10, 2014 11:54 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #27
And in case you were wondering- Control. Control annoys me.
September 10, 2014 11:55 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #28
Having said that, I am not going to post a rant about how people need to stop making control decks, just realize, to myself, that I am not going to enjoy matches I play against it.
September 10, 2014 11:56 a.m.
trentfaris242 says... #29
I mean it's just like 6-8 months ago when every other deck on this site was R/G Monsters. Very few people had an original version of that deck.
September 10, 2014 11:59 a.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #31
6 to 8 months ago was when BNG had come out, where there was some reinforcement to monsters support suite, but monsters was a mechanic of Theros, and Theros was completely out. Anyone who plays an archetype centered around the block mechanic is probably going to have a little homogeneity with other decks using the same mechanic. In short, your argument makes no sense.
September 10, 2014 12:07 p.m.
JonathanSamurai says... #32
Want an original deck? All lands and mana facts. Laugh at opponents confusion as they pummel you.
September 10, 2014 12:08 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #33
TheNinjaJesus that was directed at the OP and anyone agreeing with his sentiments. Not everyone builds decks to be creative and to discover the next big thing. Many use this site to simply list out and store their decks. This allows you to reference or work on your deck where ever and whenever they want. The charts allow you to analyze the curve and mana requirements for your deck which saves a ton of time when tuning a list.
September 10, 2014 12:15 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #34
@TheNinjaJesus This isn't entirely correct. RG Monsters had existed since the release of Theros, sure, but it saw significantly less play and did not perform as well until BNG came out.
When BNG was first released, there was a massive surge of RG Monsters players and the deck saw a lot of play and a lot of success. By the time JOU was released, we were seeing RG, Jund, Naya, and RUG Monsters lists.
It was only during the time that BNG was first released that every RG Monsters deck on TappedOut was virtually the same, but by the time the next set was released this was no longer the case. My statement "6-8 months ago" was a rough estimate of this time.
September 10, 2014 12:17 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #35
I know you were talking about him explicitly, Rasta_Viking29, I just never pass an opportunity to get your attention. I wuv u.
September 10, 2014 12:17 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #36
@Rasta_Viking29 See I feel like people should be using things like the Decked app for things like that, and T/O for sharing and discussing, not so much storage.
September 10, 2014 12:19 p.m.
Rasta_Viking29 says... #37
TheNinjaJesus Lolz... You're not too bad yourself buddy.
September 10, 2014 12:35 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #38
I only have 1 original brew, yo.
EDH decks not counted, I take net decks and I mess with them to see if I can improve on things that people haven't thought of...in essence, I net deck a lot. Still, I tend to not pay any attention to what people deckcycle. If it has a funny/cool name, I click it. If it turns out to be a deck that's bland or a clone of a common deck with "HALP PLZ" attached to it, i'll tend to just go back on my merry way. My question is, why does it bother you so much? Just wondering is all.
September 10, 2014 12:57 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #39
Personally, I like looking at other decks on T/O. When 30-40% of the decks on the front page are virtually the same (this happens quite frequently when decks surge in popularity), then it gets really annoying.
September 10, 2014 1:04 p.m.
@VampireArmy I love looking at new and creative decks and sitting here looking at a screen that's virtually the same except for 2's for some may be 4's for some and what not...I'm disappointed in the MTG community. Such lack of creativity... And the difference between you and the others with the netdeck is I've noticed you putting twists into them.
September 10, 2014 1:13 p.m.
VampireArmy says... #41
Fair enough. As long as you don't expect that people will change for you
September 10, 2014 1:20 p.m.
TheNinjaJesus says... #42
Part of the problem isn't the players, it's the game. Consistency wins. You need a way to either reliably get out your game winners, or have 4 in there to maximize odds of drawing one. It's not like this doesn't leave room for innovation, it's just that, without a synergy or combo people haven't thought of, the threats that cost the most money are usually the ones that follow a low-cost, high output ratio. Spells like Chord of Calling, Birthing Pod, Yisan, etc alleviate this by making a deck a toolbox, so you tutor up a threat to respond to whatever your opponent has done. With Chord of Calling, you've gone a long way to introducing greater diversity into deck lists, and once Morph becomes really commonplace, people will diversify even more, by playing morph cards to keep your opponent unsure of the next play. If you play a morph card, and then a Polukranos, your opponent will probably target Polukranos. Oops, that was a Sagu Mauler under there, etc.
September 10, 2014 1:21 p.m.
@TheNinjaJesus I never thought of Morph cards being like that, sounds interesting I'm gonna brew around it like that. (Of course I haven't been playing long, so I haven't though about old abilities much at all)
September 10, 2014 1:27 p.m.
Viral_Assassin says... #44
I think I speak for most of the T.O. community when I say that most of the decks on here are so that we as players can keep track of our decks, ideas and different brews. The makers of this wonderful site have given people the option to share a deck they like to use/keep tabs on and to show others who might be interested. If they are not they just simply ignore it like everyone else. If you feel like this is a problem then just do not click their deck name, or even screen name. You literally solve this entire problem by doing that.
September 10, 2014 2:46 p.m.
Just saying, Cockatrice > TO for deck storage. I can make decks in half the time, easier to edit, no wifi is needed, so on and so forth.
September 10, 2014 3:14 p.m.
trentfaris242 says... #46
Ya I actually store my decks and playtest them on my phone. I just use TappedOut for sharing and discussing decks with others. That's the main feature of the site.
September 10, 2014 4:20 p.m.
Aw geez... Im bluffing :)
I do and dont agree though. I've always hated the people who are like "netdeck... Netdeck" but i mean, if it wins why not? Ive always like building fun builds that are unnatural and cool. Specifically i try out control decks that do this, like chromantcore control and all, but ya. I've always wondered... Doesnt it get boring playing with top tier decks all the time? Wouldnt you rather win playing a five color control deck?
September 10, 2014 4:23 p.m.
If you're looking for variety in the standard format you might as well be digging for gold in your backyard.
vampirelazarus says... #2
If it wins, it'll be made, played and shared. Rather than complain, move on to something else.
September 10, 2014 10:43 a.m.