The Banning of Simian Spirit Guide
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Posted on Oct. 13, 2016, 10:19 a.m. by ZKnite
I recently just finished Ad Nauseam and am really scared that Simian Spirit Guide will get banned. If it does happen to get banned what do you guys think will happen to the prices of the other cards.
EpicFreddi says... #3
Why would they ban Spirit Guide in the first place?
October 13, 2016 10:48 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #4
Never worry about bannings. It just isn't worth the stress. Just keep playing the deck you love, and if somethi g does get banned someday, well that sucks. But you will find a new deck if the banned card was an integral piece that held the deck together.
October 13, 2016 10:56 a.m.
Don't worry. Simian Spirit Guide will not be banned. Unless someone finds a very consistent t3 combo using the Guide, it will not be banned. It's nowhere near ban-able.
October 13, 2016 11:40 a.m.
The b&r update just came out and they said that they were happy with the format. Ad nauseam has been a deck for awhile and they haven't touched it so I think you are pretty safe.
October 13, 2016 12:35 p.m.
Thanks so much for the feedback. I can't really spend all he money I want for magic so this has been a relief
October 13, 2016 8:24 p.m.
@EpicFreddi: Griselshoal breaks the turn 4 rule. You can win on turn 2 or even 1 because of Simian Spirit Guide. Land Faithless Looting, Manamorphose, Griselbrand, Goryo's Vengeance, and 2 Simian Spirit Guides dumps Griselbrand into play and attacking. You then get to draw 21 cards.
If you hit the other 2 Simian Spirit Guides, you can then Desperate Ritual -> Manamorphose -> Faithless Looting -> Goryo's Vengeance -> Borborygmos Enraged. Pitch some Worldspine Wurms to Nourishing Shoal and you draw the rest of your deck/find more mana, discard 7 lands, and kill your opponent.
This can also happen more easily on turns 2 and 3 where you don't have to rely on drawing all four Simian Spirit Guides, only enough to cover for the lands you haven't played. You also get to save Manamorphose because you don't have to convert for black mana.
I'm surprised they haven't banned Simian Spirit Guide already, especially with Chalice of the Void.
October 15, 2016 3:37 a.m.
"oh ma gad, you can win on turn one if you draw the perfect godly hand, and draw into exactly the right cards. Let's ban Spirit Guide!"
Turn 1 wins are almost not possible. You need the perfect 7 cards for it to work. Banning something because of a God hand is stupid.
October 15, 2016 4:51 a.m.
@The_Raven: You get to look at 9 cards because of Faithless Looting and 10 if you're on the draw. You also get increasingly better odds on turns 2 and 3. This still violates WotC's policy of there not being consistent kills before turn 4.
The Griselshoal deck is only vulnerable to countermagic, hand disruption, and maindeck graveyard hate. If you don't have those, you will absolutely get trounced on. Even with those effects, it's still not a guaranteed defense.
The deck is less interactive than Infect, which often gets beat by Lightning Bolt, yet still has the speed and consistency.
October 15, 2016 11:19 a.m.
sylvannos I feel like I was mainly concerned about the banning because of how good ad nauseam is currently. I don't think a Goryo's Vengence deck would be good enough to cause a banning.
October 17, 2016 7:47 a.m.
If Griselhoal deck is definitely not as consistent as you mention it to be. If it was just remotely consistent, the deck would have a much larger percent of the meta than 1%. That is quite a low percentage.
Ad Nauseum is only 3% of the meta. I wouldn't call that especially good. It's a fine deck, sure, but it's so ply not a top tier deck.
October 17, 2016 12:28 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #13
These decks need Spirit Guide to be even remotely playable. A ban would mean that both decks would dissapear. (Griselshoal going off turn 4 is too slow for the deck and Ad Nauseum would loose it's wincon with Lightning Storm)
October 18, 2016 3:59 a.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #14
@sylvannos: Grishoalbrand doesn't break the turn 4 rule because it isn't highly-tiered enough. Fringe decks that aren't what WotC considers "top tier" are given a pass. In any case, even if it were better positioned it might not consistently go off that early through disruption to get a ban.
October 19, 2016 3:07 a.m. Edited.
...Oh my God Zombie dive decks break the rule too!
Lets ban them!
(apparently wizards doesn't give a crap about inconsistent deck, when it comes to banlists)
Atony1400 says... #2
Think of it as like when Splinter Twin got banned, the cards lost 2/3 of their value. I think Simian Spirit Guide wouldn't lose that much, but they will definitely lose value.
October 13, 2016 10:39 a.m.