New vs Old Eldrazi Titans
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Posted on July 15, 2016, 10:21 a.m. by Crayfish
With Eldritch Moon fully spoiled, we have seen all three of the Eldrazi Titans with new cards and new fates. My question to you is: are the new titans better than the old ones card wise? Flavor wise? In general? Lets discuss!
OLD TITANS VS NEW TITANS
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre VS Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
MagicalHacker says... #3
A moment of silence for the fallen...
And I don't mean Ulamog and Kozilek. They are still alive, because if you look in their art, you can clearly see there was a dumpster in the background.
I mean that they became much more defeatable in their new versions.
July 15, 2016 10:26 a.m.
Titilanious says... #4
I think the closest one would be Ulamog, but over all the old were better. Annihilator was just such a strong/busted mechanic.
Also flavor wise, I hate that emmy was in Innistrad.
July 15, 2016 10:39 a.m. Edited.
I do not think either are better than the others. The first versions were Giant bodies strapped to an Annihilator effect, few people ever cast them. The new ones are weaker, but more diverse.
July 15, 2016 10:46 a.m.
The great thing about the new ones is that they are usable in reanimation edh decks.
July 15, 2016 11:08 a.m.
Personally I'm not impressed with either new Kozilek or new Emrakul. However, the new Ulamog exiles 2 permanent instead of just destroying 1 and that is a sick improvement. The ability to Reanimate it super early is also a boon, although you lose the on cast trigger.
July 15, 2016 11:23 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #8
My two Lincolns are that I run Legacy Mono 
12-Post and play Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger. Exiling two permanents is pretty boss.
July 15, 2016 1:29 p.m.
Yeah, Newlamog definitely does more for me than the old one, but the other two are definitely outclassed by their original versions, and I think that's entirely fair. The originals were just utterly OP, especially as the game itself has grown, and I don't think they realized it at the time. There was no way the new ones would be as good as the old ones, because they wouldn't want that broken of a card again.
Having said that, I really think that Kozilek, the Great Distortion is underrated. I mean sure, the 12/12 menace ain't necessarily the best thing, but I will say that in EDH when you are in desperate need of a hand refill, he is fantastic. Plus the counterspell option is gravy, if a little clunky.
July 15, 2016 1:55 p.m.
Decks_On.Acid says... #10
Names: old names > new names.
Flavor: don't care.
Abilities: Old has annihilator, new doesn't. That being said: the Ceaseless Hunger, for 60 card formats is better than the Infinite Gyre. For EDH: Infinite gyre>Ceaseless hunger. Emrakul, the Aeons Torn will make an opponent concede on the spot. Emrakul, the Promised End does not have that effect on peoples. Kozilek the menace: seriously? On average, drawing 3 cards. Doesn't affect the boardstate much, spoiler alert: can be blocked by 2 Llanowar Elves... Kozilek, Truth Butcher is just a bit (a lot) more impactful.
Old > New. Let's be honest.
July 15, 2016 2:40 p.m.
I have a vintage 12 post deck and 100% agree with aeonstoremyliver. New Ulamog is better but the other 2 are best played as their older selves.
July 15, 2016 3:12 p.m.
Newlamog is definitely stronger with double-exile on cast versus Vindicate. However, annihilator is broken.
July 15, 2016 4:32 p.m.
I think flavorwise Emrakul is right at home on Innistrad. It makes sense to transition from gothic horror to Lovecraftian, cosmic horror. Plus, in a delirium deck the new Emrakul would be relatively easy to hard cast, and taking control of your opponent is both devasting to them and very flavorful.
July 15, 2016 6:21 p.m.
New ulamog is better but the old versions of the other two are superior to their new printings.
July 15, 2016 6:49 p.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #15
Yeah, casting Emrakul that can't be countered and taking an extra turn, swinging for 15 in the air, and having the opponent sac pretty much all of their permanents is usually game winning.
July 15, 2016 7:11 p.m.
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn > Emrakul, the Promised End
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre < Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth > Kozilek, the Great Distortion (most of the time)
July 15, 2016 9:57 p.m.
all the old ones pretty much win you the game if you manage to attack with them even once. but the new ulamog pretty much wins you the game in two attacks especially if you use even a few ingest cards. that plus the face hes a double Vindicate even when hes countered and hes indestructible makes him my second favorite next to the old emmy
July 15, 2016 10:03 p.m.
I think it's to early to predict which is better as we have yet to see Emrakul in actual play. In fact I think with time new emerakul could be much more terrifying as an aggro beater and a control finisher. Old Emmy will still be the god she's always been but she needs decks dedicated to finishing with her over her new form that while needs dedication works perfectly in getting rid of those last answers. I see her finding a room in tron where you're saccing artifacts and land to lower her cost then pissing away there removal on there own permanents.
That being said old Ulamog pales to his newer counter part which is simply a boss and a powerhouse wherever you look. Exiling 20 off the top removes answers and in edh he's devastating removing the one of answers.
Kozilek is Kozilek in both he's under estimated and while the old form is stronger in a standalone type of way though it will be said that new Kozilek has inspired build around edh decks that are for the most part pretty broken and cruel and now can run all 3 Titans(though only five forms).
Thiugh like I've stated before only time will tell if any of my predictions are correct though word of caution is to buy them now before they're expensive since edh players and other causals will eat them up in a heartbeat.
July 17, 2016 9:39 a.m.
One of the other important things not mentioned yet is the old ones shuffle back into your library. It's not frequent, but sometimes you just get a mill player because of it.
What's more relevant, however, is you can play less copies and still beat out your opponent's removal. Your opponent is on Path to Exile/Swords to Plowshares/Oblivion Ring or bust...on top of having to deal with built-in protection on Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre.
Making your opponent sacrifice an Eldrazi titan only to have them tutor it right back up with Eye of Ugin or another search engine is pretty demoralizing.
July 17, 2016 5:37 p.m.
BorosEvendur says... #20
I think we have to take into consideration how good one is without something like Nahiri the Harbringer or Show and Tell. Emrakul isn't the good card, it's the ways to cheat her out that are broken. Creatures with annihilator don't do anything if they're stuck in your hand. Both New and Old Emrakuls have their places, but their purposes are different so we can't really compare them. I am mostly just rambling on so you may wish had not read this.
Jay says... #2
Old, old, old. The OG Titans changed the game. New ones humble in comparison.
July 15, 2016 10:26 a.m.