EMMY'S BACK BABY!
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Posted on June 20, 2016, 10:38 a.m. by OmegaAura113
To everyone that said she was too OP to be in standard with the other two titans, here she is:
http://mythicspoiler.com/emn/cards/emrakulthepromisedend.html
OmegaAura113 says... #3
Yeah, I'm kinda disappointed by the whole "They take an extra turn after this one" line. If that didn't exist, the card would be great IMO. Still enjoy the art though.
June 20, 2016 10:46 a.m.
Wizards... If you read this... Thanks for taking your best selling, most well received, expansion (original Innistrad) and flushing it down the toilet. I thought you were better than taking a cop-out to push the already old and boring eldrazi threat storyline. This may well be enough to make me stop, because if this is the best "story telling" you guys have to offer, I don't think I want to play.
TL;DR: THE FLAVOR OF ORIGINAL INNISTRAD BLOCK WAS DESTROYED FOR THE SOLE REASON OF "HEY... ELDRAZI!". #FML
June 20, 2016 10:55 a.m.
And still without the Jellyfish subtype that she deserves.
June 20, 2016 10:56 a.m.
Damn it...what a cop-out.
After reading the story, I want Nahiri's head on a pike. I hope they kill that insolent (insert bad word here).
June 20, 2016 11 a.m.
Servo_Token says... #7
I believe the word you are looking for is Neonate.
Buh doom Tiss
But anyway, Emrakul sucks, which is good for everyone. I'm just glad that the art is actually her strangling innistrad, and not a horde of her spawn. Kind of indicates that there won't be more than one eldrazi card in the set.
June 20, 2016 11:05 a.m.
Not really. You get a free Mindslaver/Sorin Markov ability upon cast, and this can cost up to 
cheaper (so it won't necessarily cost 13, it'll probably cost about 
. On a 13/13 that can't be killed by the vast majority of spot removal that's used in meta.
Sure they get an extra turn, so you can't just make them skip their turn like you would with the Mindslaver lock, but if you play their cards right (or should I say wrong ;) ), you can make them lose a lot of advantage.
Yes, Aeons Torn is the better Emrakul, but this one is legal in Commander :P
June 20, 2016 11:06 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #9
Yup I just lost all interest in Eldritch Moon. I was hoping that it would be some other eldritch horror that she was planning on unleashing on Innistrad. Hopefully Kaladesh will be interesting.
June 20, 2016 11:09 a.m.
Actually, I made the Jellyfish comment as a joke, but looking at the art of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn she used to look way more weird and unnatural. She really does just look like a very big jellyfish in this new art.
June 20, 2016 11:10 a.m.
Speaking of Kaladesh, from the limited info we have seen artifacts matter. So just another mirrodan style block.
June 20, 2016 11:12 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #12
That is fine by me as long as they don't try to shove jace and eldrazi down our damn throats.
YOU LIKE THESE THINGS RIGHT? RIGHT? PLEASE LOVE US. sobs
June 20, 2016 11:17 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #13
She has protection from instants.
Meh, there's other ways to tank her (Ruinous Path, To the Slaughter to name a couple.
I'm quite disappointing that Emrakul isn't as strong as she should be
June 20, 2016 11:17 a.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #14
While I am disappointed to say the least that we are a seeing Eldrazi again so soon, there are some pretty epic flavor wins with this new Emrakul:
Nahiri's ultimate summoning her
Triskaidekaphobia-> Emrakul's initial casting cost and P/T
All the clue tokens pointing right to Emrakul
Liliana joining the PW super friends team (sort of)
As far as the card itself goes, I'd be surprised if it didn't see play. As Guftders said, most likely you are paying 8-10 for a 13/13 with protection from most removal and the psuedo-Mindslaver ability allows you to deal with any non-board wipe answers in your opponents hand. Also, green and black have a number of self-mill options to lower her cost. Time to get back on the delirium train!
June 20, 2016 11:19 a.m.
If I'm understanding it right, she can still be a potential wincon in my Animar, Soul of Elements build
If I can infinitely bounce/cast her; she give my opponent(s) infinite turns that I take, and they only get the last turn (correct?). So I basically draw/mill them to death
June 20, 2016 11:20 a.m.
In multiplayer commander this guy will always cost 
just due to card types alone. Trust me, if people are willing to Eternal Witness bounce their way to infinite turns in Commander then people will find a way to (A); give their opponent's infinite extra turns, and (B); control all of those turns except the last one.
Also a 7/8 Goyf conditions mean this guy only cost to cast. Then there is the land that taps for 
for Eldrazi spells. T4 is possible, T3 is pushing it but doable, and I'm sure if you had just the right draw T2 is possible. You just might have to top deck him off of One with Nothing.
Oh yar and thanks to Dack Fayden and the 
discard hand + draw spells in EDH I expect this guy to pop up T6 even at casual tables quite regularly. Even in decks without Mana ramp. Beacuse he is ramp.
June 20, 2016 11:21 a.m. Edited.
Emrakul's #6 in the number crunch. More colorless cards, anyone?
June 20, 2016 11:23 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #18
I'm interested in how you are going to get 7 card types in your graveyard by turn 3. Extremely so if you are using Emrakul as your commander and are therefore forced into colorless EDH.
June 20, 2016 11:25 a.m.
Ugin's Nexus to prevent the opponent from playing an extra turn?
June 20, 2016 11:27 a.m.
And of course... on Innistrad, Emmy's P/T and CMC can't be anything else but 13!
Not also, that this is the first 'Protection from...' since the Wizards said they would be using 'protection' sparingly. - I think this is exactly the type of card it should be used on.
June 20, 2016 11:30 a.m.
Rather than Ugin's Nexus in EDH you should run Stranglehold in your Animar decks.
Turn 3 is pretty easy depending on what other people are playing. Not really if Emmy is your commander but for 
players it's easy. Mystical Tutor up a discard hand + draw 7 spell that affects everybody. You are very likely to hit every card type except tribal.
June 20, 2016 11:35 a.m. Edited.
Sorry but this Emmy is severely underwhelming. Like, you waited an entire set to spoil THIS? C'mon. Not great, 6/10. The only thing it has going for it is a solid Nahiri target. That's it.
June 20, 2016 11:38 a.m.
Having given high praise to the card (and I do like it a lot!!) lorewise... REALLY? Up until now, everything has been pretty mysterious, despite obviously pointing to Emrakul/Marit. But this? This is just plain lazy.
June 20, 2016 11:44 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #24
I think you are misreading Emrakul's cost reducing ability. "Emrakul, the Promised End costs 
less for each card type among cards in your graveyard."
June 20, 2016 11:44 a.m.
GUYS GUESS WHAT
Eldrazi Displacer + Nahiri, the Harbinger ultimate to summon Emrakul. Bounce Emrakul, rinse and repeat. Ok, so MAYBE this card might be ok...
June 20, 2016 11:44 a.m. Edited.
DiamondFlavor says... #27
"In multiplayer commander this guy will always cost just due to card types alone."
No. Just, no.
"Trust me, if people are willing to Eternal Witness bounce their way to infinite turns in Commander then people will find a way to (A); give their opponent's infinite extra turns, and (B); control all of those turns except the last one."
Someone will, but that doesn't mean it's any good (outside maybe Animar or other specific builds) or remotely viable compared to the myriad combo loops that are made up of better cards, easier to assemble, and win the game outright.
Eternal Witness Time Warp combos are good because the cards themselves are good, the cards that enable them (Deadeye Navigator, etc.) are good, and you end up actually playing your own deck so you build in the win condition to be obtained with infinite turns.
A deck that plays all the card types and One with Nothing to... reduce the cost of this card??? just sounds like a really bad deck.
I just think this card isn't very good, especially in EDH where there are so many significantly better things to be doing.
June 20, 2016 11:47 a.m.
DiamondFlavor says... #28
DrFunk27 bouncing Emrakrul does literally nothing except tapping it and giving it summoning sickness.
Cheating it with Nahiri, while flavorful, doesn't steal their turn.
June 20, 2016 11:50 a.m.
"DiamondFlavor says... #26
"In multiplayer commander this guy will always cost just due to card types alone."
No. Just, no."
~ So much explain. Is wow. Refute much.
June 20, 2016 11:54 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #31
DiamondFlavor- but, but I want to get excited about a new crap card and say it is the best thing in the world without reading it or bothering to understand that the abilities function in the most restrictive way imaginable. /endsarcasm
June 20, 2016 11:55 a.m.
Plus I'm pretty sure my idea with animar just makes my opponent take infinite turns after I control one turn
(Comment #14)
June 20, 2016 11:58 a.m. Edited.
@kengiczar: lol
When I saw newlamog, I thought we were in for a whole slew of gamebreaking legendary creatures again. Then we got new kozilek, and he's good, but not newlamog good. Now there's this waste of cardstock being printed and all the game of mtg is getting from it is the loss of the most flavourfully perfect plane in the multi-verse.
June 20, 2016 12:40 p.m.
Do we know that Emrakul actually destroys innistrad though? What if Jace and Co. stop her?
June 20, 2016 12:52 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #37
All we know is that Nahiri summoned her, she's the source of the madness, and that shit's going south.
June 20, 2016 1 p.m.
DiamondFlavor says... #38
kengiczar I'm sorry, I thought it was self-evident enough that it didn't bear explanation.
Maybe a lot of casual, fun-card and/or good stuff decks play all the card types in some kind of equal balance, but to me that sounds like a pretty sloppy, haphazard deck. That's fine if people like to build Commander decks that way, but when you phrase it with a superlative like "always" you're making the assumption that everyone's EDH experience is the same. Most of the decks in my playgroup attempt to have strong synergies and relatively linear playstyles that aren't conducive to having 7 card types in the graveyard ever, let alone consistently, let even more alone always, as you insist.
I might play 0-5 enchantments in a deck that is lands- or creatures- based. I might not see one the whole game, and its even less likely to be in my graveyard.
Very few tribal cards see play in EDH.
Lands are highly dependent upon deck type and meta. If you play a self-mill deck or there's a lot of land destruction or you play cycling lands or whatever, then sure. But those are highly conditional, again, pretty far from always being there.
Many decks are highly permanent-based, meaning you may have 0-10 instants and sorceries total in your deck. So you're fairly unlikely to have one or both in the yard at a consistent rate.
Emrakul only counts your own graveyard, so rather than always I would argue it's almost never that you'll have all the types. If you did some kind of Evolving Wilds, Worldly Tutor, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Cultivate, somehow mill yourself an enchantment and an artifact and play a planeswalker and drain their loyalty... I guess. But with that line of play you've already presumably ramped enough to play a much better creature. And again, it sounds like you have a really inconsistent, randomly-assembled deck that has no idea what it wants to do (which should be evident given that it's trying to make this card into a legitmate threat).
So explain.
June 20, 2016 1:16 p.m.
PepsiAddicted says... #39
oh no timmy where you waitinging for another herp-a-derp-doomsday-machine?...
this is a great card. it IS a herp-a-derp doomsday machine. just not as obvious
June 20, 2016 2:31 p.m.
Liliana vs Emrakul Battle Royale!
June 20, 2016 2:59 p.m. Edited.
I'm seeing only one direction the story can go now: Emmy WILL die in this set. But I'd sooner have Nahiri perish first without redemption.
June 20, 2016 3:17 p.m.
...Standard 
/
Ramp/Delirium, with Vessel of Nascency to search for Emmy and fill your yard?
Would need a lot more support, but could be fun.
Hedron Crawler... ramps for 1... but get it killed, and it passively ramps Emmy for 2. - 
, float the mana, sac it... now it works for 3. (more if you find a way to sac it for mana.)
There's fun to be had with this Emmy.
June 20, 2016 3:28 p.m. Edited.
AgentGreen says... #44
With the Gatewatch successful in destroying the three Eldrazi titans; my guess is that Bolas will see the 4 (maybe 5 if Lili decides to get the stick out of her ass) as a huge threat to him and will start working on defeating them
June 20, 2016 3:29 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #45
I am very displeased that Emrakul shall be in this set, since it ruins the mystery of where it went; I was sincerely hoping that Emrakul would not reappear until many blocks from now, to keep it in reserve with a proper sense of foreboding and dread. WotC could have kept the mystery of Emrakul's whereabouts going for years, but instead they chose to rush through the Eldrazi storyline and give it a hasty conclusion.
As for the card, I am glad that it is not as ridiculously powerful as was the original, but it still is very impressive; I would have liked for it to have had protection from sorceries, as well, but that may have made it too powerful. Just to clarify, will the targeted player be able to control the extra turn that they take?
I still am very excited about this set, albeit less than I was, before, and I shall be awaiting the spoilers for this set with eager anticipation.
June 20, 2016 5:51 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #46
DOes anybody know how her second ability works in 2HG?
June 20, 2016 5:59 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #47
DemonDragonJ - they still can. Emmy shows up in Innistrad, and the gatewatch drive her back to the Blind Eternities. Boom. Emmy is still around to cause havoc years from now.
It's really not that huge of a leap of logic.
June 20, 2016 6:01 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #48
God I hate that "The Gatewatch" is now being used like "The Justice League" I really hope that one of the big bads kills every one of them and they give up on having 5 'walkers be "the face" of the colors. IMO 3 out of four are the least interesting 'walkers in their colors and that is just because Red has Tibalt so Chandra auto wins that contest.
June 20, 2016 6:21 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #49
I think it's a little too early to pull the plug on the Gatewatch.
June 20, 2016 6:40 p.m.
Gidgetimer says... #50
I'm sure lots of people do. I just hate the fact that they replaced Garruk with Nissa and that Jace is still running around despite being the living guildpact and basically screwing Ravnica when he decided to leave and the guilds no longer have an arbitrator. Also this whole "we will survive because of friendship and rainbows" is more suited to a saturday morning cartoon than the feel of MTG up until 2 years ago.
Boza says... #2
Well, this is worse than expected. Ulamog is the best of the new titans, by far.
June 20, 2016 10:42 a.m.