El(drazi)dritch Moon :-(
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Posted on May 10, 2016, 3:34 p.m. by capriom85
Anyone else, despite what you think the storyline is going to do, still hanging on to hope that Emrakul is NOT on Innistrad and we have seen the last of them for now? There is not been any definitive evidence yet, but it unfortunately makes the most sense at this point. I just don't want Elsrazi to span twinsets of standard at once. Am I alone?
Rhadamanthus says... #3
Though some hints do point to it, I also don't want it to be true.
May 10, 2016 4:07 p.m.
Randomdeath says... #5
Well maybe a bigger badder eldrazi will be coming in they say that ulamog, kozilk and emrakul are part of a bigger eldrazi body so maybe that's what'll happen.???
May 10, 2016 4:23 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #6
Well, Nahiri can only control rocks, basically. So, she must be doing something that involves stone. Maybe bringing the Moon into Innistrad?
May 10, 2016 4:24 p.m.
Kind like the planets crashing together at the end of the Deadpool comic series, PistonGolem?
Randomdeath, I certainly hope not. I'd be happier to see Nahiri just turn the moon into a weapon and slam it into Innistrad. I'm sick to death of Elsrazi.
May 10, 2016 4:36 p.m.
readerrw07 says... #8
Part of me hopes the just tuck EMrakul away to use later for a Return to Return to Zendikar in like 2020. Part of me kinda just wants Emrakul to be on Innistrad so it can die and the Eldrazi can just be done forever because theyre boring as hell as antagonists.
After that, lets just follow Ob Nix to some new plane somewhere. Or revist Garruk. Or maybe send Liliana somewhere to fight demon 3
May 10, 2016 4:41 p.m.
Is lik to have demon 3 at least identified by now. Any chance you think it's the guy Westvale Abbey Flip turns into? That could be a cool part of the story. Probably not, though.
I heard, I have no link, that we may visit a plane with pirates pretty soon. That can be fun.
May 10, 2016 5:18 p.m.
TheHelvault says... #10
Grotesque Mutation has a very Emrakul-esque appearance in the art.
And what's this on the wall? Thraben Inspector
May 10, 2016 5:43 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #11
Yea, but last time I checked, Eldrazi do not have mouthes or thousands of sharp teeth within them, TheHelvault
May 10, 2016 6 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #12
I'm pretty sure it's Marit Lage. Look at the art of Engulf the Shore and Dark Depths. See any similarities? Below is the Marit Lage token (since I can't link it on the site), which looks even more similar.
Marit Lage can also travel between planes, so there's that. And, the most unnerving to me, Marit Lage was a monster inspired by H. P. Lovecraft. The entire SOI plane and storyline is allusions to the work of Lovecraft, which can't be a mere coincidence.
Also, WOTC isn't bad enough at story line to put Emrakul on Innistrad. Especially not after the beautiful mysterious storyline they've been painting for Innistrad so far. It'd be a huge let down for it to be Emrakul and they know that.
May 10, 2016 6:50 p.m. Edited.
aeonstoremyliver says... #13
What if Emrakul transforms into Marit Lage? Like they're somehow fused beings... Also because that flip card would be the baddest creature ever printed in a legal set lol!!!
May 10, 2016 7:39 p.m.
OH!!! Loving the Merit Large idea...that is a much better story progression than the damn Spaghetti Monster. Has anyone else noticed the Tooth Collector cycle ALL have tentacles hidden in their art. Every single one.
May 10, 2016 8:22 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd, do you really believe it's Merit Lage? That would my first thought when I saw Engulf the Shore, but it makes no sense. I'm sure Wizards can tie it together, though. Personally I think we are so lost that none of us are right. I have a feeling that we are trying to tie so many different story lines together that when we see the truth we will all be embarrassed we didn't see it coming. Don't doeget about stuff like Skin Invasion Flip. That card seriously pokes at a story line we haven't even touched on yet. Seems almost Tibalt-ish to me.
May 10, 2016 8:22 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #17
Anyone love how the entire marketing is "solving the riddle" yet we get no riddle nor evidence to help other than pictures on cardboard?
May 10, 2016 8:32 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #18
The Marit Lage theory has holes, I'll give you that, but I really want it to be him. (Does Marit Lage have a gender? let's not get in-depth if there's no easy answer.) The biggest flaw being that Marit Lage doesn't explain the Angels turning evil, although so much is unknown about Marit Lage that it could have some power like that, although I doubt it. Not gonna lie, I don't know much about Angels, so perhaps it connects somehow. Could Martit Lage's presence simply be very corrupting (explaining the disintegrating rocks) such that his presence deteriorates the goodness of Angels, starting with Avacyn (who I'm assuming is the most connected to the plane of the angels, although feel free to tell me how wrong I am).
How much is just Innistrad flavor unrelated to the shadow? Skin Invasion Flip seems innistrad-esque enough to not be related to the shadow.
May 10, 2016 8:43 p.m.
Marit Lage is referred to as female in the flavour text of Curse of Marit Lage, Wrath of Marit Lage and Brine Shaman.
May 10, 2016 8:53 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #20
@capriom85 Lili's other demons are called Razaketh and Belzenlok. Hopefully we do get some lore on them soon.
Maybe Liliana will use the Chain Veil to obliterate Emrakul?
May 10, 2016 10:04 p.m. Edited.
PistonGolem says... #21
Here is far that I know. I do not think that Merit Lage can corrupt the plane to make Avacyn insane. Nahiri is doing that. She uses the crypto-liths to contort the mana, and this distorts beings made of mana, such as angels like Avacyn.
I am sticking with a theory that has something to do with the Moon. Think about it, why is the set called Eldritch MOON? If the moon got large, chaos ensues. Werewolfs stay permanently were-wolfy, tides rise hard-core, etc.
May 10, 2016 10:33 p.m.
Sain_Cheese says... #22
Well, Nihiri was the one that drew the eldrazi to zendikar with the hedrons, correct? It was also never confirmed or denied that Merit Lage was an eldrazi or not.. a lot of speculation on that.
May 11, 2016 12:20 a.m.
God that would be so fucking cool if merit lage was actually a sea-faring emrakul spawn that people just thought was a kraken this whole time. Almost like if the lochness monster existed but was really an alien or something and not like a giant reptile or dinosaur.
May 11, 2016 3:04 a.m.
genericaura says... #24
Personally, I think it'll be an original legendary horror type thing, since Thing in the Ice Flip alludes to horror tribal, and there's three times as many horrors in SOI as compared to Innistrad. But the more I read, the more I'm worried you're right and it's Emrakul.
May 12, 2016 3:05 p.m.
Darthagnon says... #25
Remember, they came as three. I personally doubt they would break the cycle. I'm betting Emrakul in some form.
May 15, 2016 9:01 a.m.
I don't think we have room Emrakul and some hulking sea beast. It's gotta be one or the other. Also...these are different blocks. They already broke the cycle. I hope Emrakul is a "save it for later" problem.
May 15, 2016 9:42 a.m.
Sain_Cheese says... #27
Spoiler alert!
Somebody figured out the puzzle behind the clues. Can read about it in reddit and do it yourself too if you dont believe it.
When following the code, all languages printed on SOI clues translate to the flavored text in Ugin's Insight "they came as three".. yap.
Not to mention all the cards that show organics being.. affected, extra eyes, mouths, weird mutations.. etc. It's 99.9999999% probable.
Woah-oh here she comes! She's a maaaaybe eater.
May 21, 2016 12:35 p.m.
McSleuthburger says... #29
I'm just going to start calling the new set Emrakul Moon
May 21, 2016 6:19 p.m. Edited.
But that means Wizards have forced themselves into a corner of atrocious story-telling. One of the following must happen if it's Emmy:
WOOOO!!! Gatewatch shows up and Emmy dies! NO. This is the ABSOLUTE WORST. They just literally killed off Ulamog and Kozilek in the last block. All this build up leading to the third Eldrazi that NO ONE knew where it lurked, then killing it, is an atrocity beyond all tragedies in the lore.
It's Emmy, but it's her presence being felt, but the Gatewatch arrives and stops her arrival. Sure, I'm ok with this. Emmy lives and she can be saved for another block...just so as long as it's not Kaladesh...Oh. Wait. Aether Revolt has nothing to do with Eldrazi.
There was a third outcome but I forgot what it was...for the moment.
May 21, 2016 6:35 p.m.
Third outcome is that Emmy devours Innistrad and Nahiri laughs at Sorin's anguish. If done right this is actually plausible.
May 21, 2016 10:05 p.m.
Well, the third outcome could be that the gatewatch loses the battle, but succeed in repelling Emmy anyway. Not exactly realistic but it's there. I just hope that, if it's Emmy, she doesn't die so her real finest hour could be in a later block.
May 21, 2016 10:20 p.m.
genericaura says... #34
Sain_Cheese: Actually, you have to put the clues in a random order instead of how they were printed to make it work. I've also heard that there's a lot of languages it doesn't work in. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't heard a version of that theory that's convinced me.
May 22, 2016 4:18 p.m.
Well, looking at it myself, there are good arguments for both sides of this theory. I could probably make similar things work from random cards. The most compelling part I have seen is that clue "necklace" looking like a possible rendering of Emrakul. I'm still waiting to see what's up with this 5 leg shrew.
May 22, 2016 4:39 p.m.
Sain_Cheese says... #36
There is no random order to it as far as I know of. You can read and "investigate" yourself if ya want.
I'll link the reddit post that will help you along your ways to enlightenment!
I believe in coincidences. However, when a handful of coincidences keep pointing to the same thing.. I have to believe it is not a coincidence. (Nahiri's ultimate says oh oh oh drag emerakul out to the field with haste, yes pls!! Weird organic corruption on several SOI cards, plants and humanoids alike. Madness of hummanoids, which either means commandard sheperd should be our next pw or Emerakul, the thing that specifically affects organics in the mtg universe is coming and the clue theory that has been proven in english, german, spanish, japanese, etc.)
https://m.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/4bm66i/soi_puzzle_clue_token_flavor_texts/
Emerakul or no, if "she" does come to Innastrad I hope either A, they prevent her from or repell her away from the plane (not likely becuase of the destruction of avacyn, the last magic protecting the plane)
or
Innastrad turns white and goes poof (when a plane is destroyed)
ooooor
they leave it cliff hanging with an epic, "Heeeeere's Emerakul!"
But,
If they kill her off like they oh so casually did to Ula and Cosi, I may have to start a petition for the death of the gatewatch.
"Here use these laylines and drag these super powered beings the size of moons fully into a plane then light them on fire with a match!!!" LOLZ
Bah, Ob Nixilis should just killed them when he had the chance. Damn you Ob! You're still my hero though..
May 26, 2016 11:15 a.m.
PistonGolem says... #37
It would not make sense. It took the gatewatch and an united plane of allies just to kill Ula and Kozi. Jace cannot even take on Emerakrul.
May 26, 2016 11:20 a.m.
Sain_Cheese says... #38
Yea sure but there are some waaay more powerful pw's who reside on Innastrad such as Sorin, Nahiri, Lili, (Garuk? Is he alive or what?? I could never find anything saying he was Dead in mtg lore)) Not to mention Tibalt, Jace and Tamiyo are there as well and in the end, it was ultimately the "gatewatch" who killed two titans at the same time while Kiora just kinda watched in the background..
Things don't really look good for Emerakul :/
What I'm really curious about is how Nahiri will act once she finds out the gatewatch saved Zendikar.
May 26, 2016 11:39 a.m.
she will still be pissed at Sorin but I envision an "Oh no, what have I done?!" moment. She will join the gatewatch maybe?
May 27, 2016 8:29 a.m.
I'm tellin' ya, I really think she's summoning Emrakul, only in an effort to bind Emmy to Innistrad, like they did with the Eldrazi eons ago on Zendikar. I mean, let's look at it for a sec. She's furious at Sorin for not helping when the Eldrazi broke out the first time, right? Leaving her to fix all of it by herself and all since Ugin was dead.
Keep in mind that she's primarily white-aligned (now Boros since hers is the fury!), so outright destroying a plane isn't exactly a normal reaction to Sorin's betrayal (Even the villainous Elesh Norn only wants to spread Phyrexia's greatness to other planes, not destroy them). BUT, I would think that in her angry mind, leaving the lingering threat of the Eldrazi's escape on Sorin's home plane would be a good way to balance the wrongdoing she has suffered at his hands. That way, if Emmy does escape from the trap, Sorin will be the one hurting the most from it, and Nahiri wouldn't do a thing to help him, as he did to her. Justice is essentially served, by her views.
This makes the most sense to me, at least. More so than Marit Lage, even if I do want her to be back in the story at some point. Now, I'm imagining that once she does summon Emrakul, she'll probably screw it up somehow and can't contain her, leading to one of those sacrifice schticks where she dies somehow to get Emrakul out of the plane somehow. Sorin lives, but feels pretty poopy about the whole situation.
And of course, that's totally ignoring any impact on the story Liliana will have, since she's the poster-girl of EM so far.
May 27, 2016 9:09 a.m.
I'm pretty sure the Gatewatch will show up an completely ruin Nahiri's scheme by outright destroying Emmy.
May 27, 2016 9:13 a.m.
TheSquirrelLord says... #43
"Something Twisted This Way Comes"
Posted on the official Magic website. Basically confirms Emrakul is present on Innistrad.
May 30, 2016 4:29 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #44
That moment at the end where he talks about the colored tentacles, I be like "Yea because the whole community would not know what colored tentacles means, especially after the last block being filled with Eldrazi."
This entire SOI thing drives me crazy with the community being like, "Emmy!" or "No Emmy!". WotC could just be trolling us with that and not even releasing the expansion symbol yet. We literally got the Aether Revolt symbol before the Eldritch Moon symbol. But after that, I am pretty sure that everyone just got hungry for the Spaghetti.
May 30, 2016 6:53 p.m.
ComradeJim270 says... #45
If it's Emrakul I'm seriously done giving a rat's ass about MtG lore, because it will indicate the story is in the hands of complete hacks. You do not leave a major villian unaccounted for and then immediately account for them. That's terrible writing. Oh, and it's not really that mysterious at all.
The tentacles had better be a red herring to trick people into thinking it's Emrakul.
Also, none of this is an Eldrazi's MO. They are decidedly not subtle and do not need to do weird stuff with moons to demolish a plane.
May 31, 2016 2:37 a.m. Edited.
TheHelvault says... #46
I agree with ComradeJim270. It is really bad writing on wizards' part, and if Emrakul becomes "Emrakul, Bane of Innistrad", I won't read lore anymore and I probably wouldn't play standard anymore either. Unless Atog gets printed in Kaladesh.
We should make shirts, saying "Team Emmy" or "Team Not Emmy"
May 31, 2016 9:55 a.m.
Also agree. It's too soon for Emrakul to be a thing if he wasn't part of BFZ or OGW. Also, the comment about Eldrazi MO: spot on. They show up and fuck shit up. Look at the flavor text on All Is Dust. I don't see the part about being subtle and taking a long time to hatch a scheme. They are more of a "look, mana, lets ruin it for everyone" type of creature.
Om praying the "cracked code" of the clues is just misguided hype, and the real threat is this 5 legged shrew or whatever that is.
May 31, 2016 10:05 a.m.
PistonGolem says... #48
Im going to laugh if that code thing was a coincidence. I feel like Wizards is trying to give more Emmy "clues" than just "clues" to whatever the real thing is, which is probably a new villain. But yea, Eldrazi do not simply wait while the plane descends into madness, they just go in and start destroying stuff.
May 31, 2016 10:28 a.m.
I also hope it isn't Emrakul. I mean, everyone else has already stated that same reasons I have but this as well:
If Emmy shows up on Innistrad, then there really is only one way the whole story will end: The Gatewatch shows up and kills it. If it really is Emrakul, then I may have to begin questioning the creative team on a lot of things.
May 31, 2016 11:42 a.m.
As far as the story goes... let's not forget that, if Jace found any clue he thought this might be linked to Emrakul, he'd have left, found Ugin and the Gatewatch and returned, prepared for what is coming.
EmblemMan says... #2
Youre not alone by I for one want eldrazi to come back
May 10, 2016 3:51 p.m.